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Re: I'm a believer Mule Deer #11781926 01/30/17
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 2,536 Wyoming W wyoming260 Campfire Regular
wyoming260 Campfire Regular W Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 2,536 Wyoming	Originally Posted by Mule Deer scottishkat, Thanks for that Berger link. It's puzzling to me how a case full of 26 with 150's in the .270 Winchester can produce similar velocities to a case full of 26 and 135's in the .260. But now guess I'll have to try it! I have been thinking of trying the 143 gr Hornady ELD-X in my .260. As the 130 gr Bergers and 130 gr JLK's I have used make big exit holes in the antelope. I usually use RE-17 with them. I will start with RE -26 with the Hornady bullet. Velocity has never been an Issue with my .260 as the Barrel is a nice smooth 30"Kreiger........

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Re: I'm a believer gunner500 #11781933 01/30/17
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 429 Yukon River, Alaska Y ykrvak Campfire Member
ykrvak Campfire Member Y Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 429 Yukon River, Alaska	[quote=gunner500 I've about decided to load all my 280 AI brass with RL-26 and 160 gr Accubonds, can't see what in the conus that bullet wont handle.[/quote] After really poor performances by that bullet, two years in a row on two different moose I'd look for a better bullet. I've had good luck with other Accubonds, but that one does weird stuff. Because through judicious handloading and a bold sense of optimism, you can make anything into an .88 Magnum - once! 😁 - chesterpulley

Re: I'm a believer verhoositz #11781948 01/30/17
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,311 Likes: 2 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,311 Likes: 2 Northeast USA	Originally Posted by verhoositz Any thoughts on R-26 in heavy than average - for me anyway- caliber bullets in a 22" M70 7x57, or mebbe a 7mm-08 in 150gr & 160-62gr er's?, Both are a new to me calibers I'm just getting started in and planned to replace my 260 with the 7-08 and pair it up with the 7x57 I just got couple weeks ago . Gonna try it for sure in a M70 24" 270 in 150's...if I can find any down here in East Texas. Ron This is what QL shows for it. I have been seeing RL26 using a little less charge weight to attain the predicted speed in a few cartridges, but it looks fairly possible. 2800 with a 160 would be A-OK.. Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser (SAAMI) Bullet : .284, 160, Nosler PART SP 16327 Useable Case Capaci: 52.348 grain H2O = 3.399 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch = 78.00 mm Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 0.909% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -09.1 96 50.00 2534 2282 40332 11469 97.1 1.336 -08.2 97 50.50 2564 2336 41716 11581 97.5 1.314 -07.3 98 51.00 2594 2391 43153 11687 97.9 1.293 -06.4 99 51.50 2625 2447 44648 11786 98.3 1.273 -05.5 100 52.00 2655 2504 46203 11879 98.6 1.252 -04.5 101 52.50 2685 2561 47824 11965 98.9 1.232 -03.6 102 53.00 2715 2618 49508 12044 99.2 1.212 -02.7 103 53.50 2745 2677 51267 12116 99.4 1.193 ! Near Maximum ! -01.8 104 54.00 2775 2735 53099 12180 99.6 1.173 ! Near Maximum ! -00.9 105 54.50 2805 2795 55009 12237 99.8 1.154 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 106 55.00 2835 2855 57001 12286 99.9 1.136 ! Near Maximum ! +00.9 107 55.50 2864 2915 59080 12327 100.0 1.117 ! Near Maximum ! +01.8 108 56.00 2894 2976 61251 12360 100.0 1.099 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +02.7 109 56.50 2924 3037 63521 12386 100.0 1.081 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +03.6 110 57.00 2954 3099 65893 12409 100.0 1.064 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.5 111 57.50 2983 3162 68374 12431 100.0 1.047 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 106 55.00 2985 3166 72592 11660 100.0 1.034 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 106 55.00 2609 2417 44590 12188 94.3 1.269 Last edited by beretzs; 01/30/17. Semper Fi

Re: I'm a believer N2TRKYS #11781961 01/30/17
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,311 Likes: 2 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,311 Likes: 2 Northeast USA	Originally Posted by N2TRKYS Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by N2TRKYS What would be a good starting point with RL26 in a 7 SAUM with 160 grain Accubonds? I was hoping someone else would take a stab at this but here's how I'd figure it. I think 62 grains was about the top end of the range with a 150 Scenar. So if I was starting over from scratch with the 150 Scenar I'd load up a few rounds each at 60, 61, and 62. The 160 is about 7% heavier than the 150, and the Scenar has a longer boat tail and longer ogive than the regular Accubond so the Accubond's bearing surface is longer than the Scenar's which means more pressure with the same amount of powder. So with that and other unknowns, I'd bump the 7% up to 10% and drop down 10% from the starting charge (60 grains) for the 150, and load a few at 54, 55, and 56 to start. At least that's what I'd do. Either that or find someone to run quickload for you. Would someone be willing to run that through Quickload for me? Cartridge : 7 mm Rem SA Ultra Mag Bullet : .284, 160, Nosler AccuBond 54932 Useable Case Capaci: 62.964 grain H2O = 4.088 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 0.801% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -08.0 92 57.39 2754 2694 43318 11530 99.6 1.389 -07.2 93 57.89 2779 2744 44592 11592 99.7 1.370 -06.4 94 58.39 2805 2795 45913 11649 99.8 1.352 -05.6 94 58.89 2830 2846 47275 11702 99.9 1.334 -04.8 95 59.39 2856 2898 48683 11748 100.0 1.316 -04.0 96 59.89 2881 2949 50138 11790 100.0 1.298 -03.2 97 60.39 2906 3001 51645 11826 100.0 1.281 -02.4 98 60.89 2932 3053 53201 11861 100.0 1.264 -01.6 98 61.39 2957 3106 54811 11895 100.0 1.247 -00.8 99 61.89 2982 3158 56478 11929 100.0 1.230 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 100 62.39 3006 3211 58202 11962 100.0 1.214 ! Near Maximum ! +00.8 101 62.89 3031 3264 59988 11994 100.0 1.198 ! Near Maximum ! +01.6 102 63.39 3056 3317 61836 12025 100.0 1.182 ! Near Maximum ! +02.4 102 63.89 3080 3371 63750 12056 100.0 1.166 ! Near Maximum ! +03.2 103 64.39 3105 3425 65734 12086 100.0 1.151 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.0 104 64.89 3129 3479 67780 12115 100.0 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 100 62.39 3139 3501 73680 11431 100.0 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 100 62.39 2800 2786 45033 12328 97.7 1.353 That's what my edition puts it at for reference. Semper Fi

Re: I'm a believer beretzs #11782080 01/30/17
Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 468 Alabama N N2TRKYS Campfire Member
N2TRKYS Campfire Member N Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 468 Alabama	Originally Posted by beretzs Originally Posted by N2TRKYS Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by N2TRKYS What would be a good starting point with RL26 in a 7 SAUM with 160 grain Accubonds? I was hoping someone else would take a stab at this but here's how I'd figure it. I think 62 grains was about the top end of the range with a 150 Scenar. So if I was starting over from scratch with the 150 Scenar I'd load up a few rounds each at 60, 61, and 62. The 160 is about 7% heavier than the 150, and the Scenar has a longer boat tail and longer ogive than the regular Accubond so the Accubond's bearing surface is longer than the Scenar's which means more pressure with the same amount of powder. So with that and other unknowns, I'd bump the 7% up to 10% and drop down 10% from the starting charge (60 grains) for the 150, and load a few at 54, 55, and 56 to start. At least that's what I'd do. Either that or find someone to run quickload for you. Would someone be willing to run that through Quickload for me? Cartridge : 7 mm Rem SA Ultra Mag Bullet : .284, 160, Nosler AccuBond 54932 Useable Case Capaci: 62.964 grain H2O = 4.088 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 0.801% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -08.0 92 57.39 2754 2694 43318 11530 99.6 1.389 -07.2 93 57.89 2779 2744 44592 11592 99.7 1.370 -06.4 94 58.39 2805 2795 45913 11649 99.8 1.352 -05.6 94 58.89 2830 2846 47275 11702 99.9 1.334 -04.8 95 59.39 2856 2898 48683 11748 100.0 1.316 -04.0 96 59.89 2881 2949 50138 11790 100.0 1.298 -03.2 97 60.39 2906 3001 51645 11826 100.0 1.281 -02.4 98 60.89 2932 3053 53201 11861 100.0 1.264 -01.6 98 61.39 2957 3106 54811 11895 100.0 1.247 -00.8 99 61.89 2982 3158 56478 11929 100.0 1.230 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 100 62.39 3006 3211 58202 11962 100.0 1.214 ! Near Maximum ! +00.8 101 62.89 3031 3264 59988 11994 100.0 1.198 ! Near Maximum ! +01.6 102 63.39 3056 3317 61836 12025 100.0 1.182 ! Near Maximum ! +02.4 102 63.89 3080 3371 63750 12056 100.0 1.166 ! Near Maximum ! +03.2 103 64.39 3105 3425 65734 12086 100.0 1.151 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.0 104 64.89 3129 3479 67780 12115 100.0 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 100 62.39 3139 3501 73680 11431 100.0 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 100 62.39 2800 2786 45033 12328 97.7 1.353 That's what my edition puts it at for reference. Thank you very much.

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Re: I'm a believer beretzs #11782286 01/30/17
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 2,536 Wyoming W wyoming260 Campfire Regular
wyoming260 Campfire Regular W Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 2,536 Wyoming	Originally Posted by beretzs Originally Posted by verhoositz Any thoughts on R-26 in heavy than average - for me anyway- caliber bullets in a 22" M70 7x57, or mebbe a 7mm-08 in 150gr & 160-62gr er's?, Both are a new to me calibers I'm just getting started in and planned to replace my 260 with the 7-08 and pair it up with the 7x57 I just got couple weeks ago . Gonna try it for sure in a M70 24" 270 in 150's...if I can find any down here in East Texas. Ron This is what QL shows for it. I have been seeing RL26 using a little less charge weight to attain the predicted speed in a few cartridges, but it looks fairly possible. 2800 with a 160 would be A-OK.. Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser (SAAMI) Bullet : .284, 160, Nosler PART SP 16327 Useable Case Capaci: 52.348 grain H2O = 3.399 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch = 78.00 mm Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 0.909% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -09.1 96 50.00 2534 2282 40332 11469 97.1 1.336 -08.2 97 50.50 2564 2336 41716 11581 97.5 1.314 -07.3 98 51.00 2594 2391 43153 11687 97.9 1.293 -06.4 99 51.50 2625 2447 44648 11786 98.3 1.273 -05.5 100 52.00 2655 2504 46203 11879 98.6 1.252 -04.5 101 52.50 2685 2561 47824 11965 98.9 1.232 -03.6 102 53.00 2715 2618 49508 12044 99.2 1.212 -02.7 103 53.50 2745 2677 51267 12116 99.4 1.193 ! Near Maximum ! -01.8 104 54.00 2775 2735 53099 12180 99.6 1.173 ! Near Maximum ! -00.9 105 54.50 2805 2795 55009 12237 99.8 1.154 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 106 55.00 2835 2855 57001 12286 99.9 1.136 ! Near Maximum ! +00.9 107 55.50 2864 2915 59080 12327 100.0 1.117 ! Near Maximum ! +01.8 108 56.00 2894 2976 61251 12360 100.0 1.099 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +02.7 109 56.50 2924 3037 63521 12386 100.0 1.081 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +03.6 110 57.00 2954 3099 65893 12409 100.0 1.064 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.5 111 57.50 2983 3162 68374 12431 100.0 1.047 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 106 55.00 2985 3166 72592 11660 100.0 1.034 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 106 55.00 2609 2417 44590 12188 94.3 1.269 Well shucks, that is two rifles I need to try RE-26 in . My old ruger 77 can take an OAL of 3.200" Pretty easy so there will be room for less compression. 200 fps over my current loads would be nothing to just forget about........

Re: I'm a believer beretzs #11782383 01/30/17
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,103 Likes: 6 Colorado S smokepole OP Campfire 'Bwana
OP smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,103 Likes: 6 Colorado	Originally Posted by beretzs This is what QL shows for it. I have been seeing RL26 using a little less charge weight to attain the predicted speed in a few cartridges, but it looks fairly possible. I saw the same thing. Fotis ran QL for me with the 7 SAUM and a 150 grain bullet and I was getting over 150 fps more than what QL predicted for the given charge weight. So I'd be careful with the loads that are "approaching maximum" and I'd be willing to bet that you get to the listed velocities (and pressures) with a few grains less R-26 than QL would indicate. At least in the 7 SAUM. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: I'm a believer smokepole #11782414 01/30/17
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,156 Likes: 13 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna
Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,156 Likes: 13 Banana Belt, Montana	I don't use QL nearly as much as I used to, but have generally found the predicted velocities much more indicative of potential top loads than either charges or (especially!) pressures. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: I'm a believer Kimber7man #11796983 02/04/17
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 2,536 Wyoming W wyoming260 Campfire Regular
wyoming260 Campfire Regular W Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 2,536 Wyoming	Originally Posted by Kimber7man Originally Posted by Mule Deer scottishkat, Thanks for that Berger link. It's puzzling to me how a case full of 26 with 150's in the .270 Winchester can produce similar velocities to a case full of 26 and 135's in the .260. But now guess I'll have to try it! How compressed is that 260/135 load at 105% case fill? I just put 48 grs. of Reloder 26 in a .260 case. (Fireformed Remington Brass) and it seems there is still plenty of room for bullet. I am exxcited to get ahold of some hornadys now and try to work up good loads.....

Re: I'm a believer smokepole #11804422 02/06/17
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,083 Oklahoma, Canadian River ExpatFromOK Campfire Tracker
ExpatFromOK Campfire Tracker Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,083 Oklahoma, Canadian River	Does RL26 have any utility in the .30-06? Maybe with heavier bullets 180/190 and above? "There are no dangerous weapons. There are only dangerous men." - Robert Heinlein

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Re: I'm a believer smokepole #11813759 02/10/17
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 683 Indiana S seven_miller Campfire Regular
seven_miller Campfire Regular S Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 683 Indiana	With 208's, it should produce top velocities. I got over 2700 fps with my rifle's 22" barrel. But RL17 matched it in that instance, and it took 8-9 grains less powder. Seems like RL26 picks up where 17 leaves off in slightly more "overbore" or slightly higher capacity cartridges than people found 17 to be a "miracle powder" for a few years ago. My buddy and I found it to produce top velocities in his Swift and my .243, as well as with the heaviest bullets in my 30-06 and .338 WM. The .338 pushed a 300 accubond to a bit over 2500 with a 22.5" barrel. And like RL17, it seems that it has a certain applications in which it especially shines.

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