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Powdered metal recoil lug ? they do own a facility MIM parts have 95% of the density of "real" steel. Guess that 5% matters sometimes. I can't imagine that a lug stamped out of ordinary steel would ever do that. Yeah, it would bend if that is even possible.
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Powdered metal recoil lug ? they do own a facility MIM parts have 95% of the density of "real" steel. Guess that 5% matters sometimes. I can't imagine that a lug stamped out of ordinary steel would ever do that. Yeah, it would bend if that is even possible. My experience with MIM (not good) finds it to be brittle. CZ triggers are MIM and I broke one taking the gun out of the stock. New Rem triggers are MIM along with a lot of gun parts these days. That cracked recoil lug must be MIM. I agree, a piece of stamped steel that thick would bend before it broke, unless it was overly hardened. And I don't think recoil lugs would be hardened enough to be that brittle. The problem with sending it back, you'll get another MIM part. I don't think it would cost that much to replace that lug with a steel one, check the headspace and move on. At least the replacement won't crack like that. I would think 700 Rem smiths probably have vintage OEM lugs lying around the shop. IMO. DF
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Powdered metal recoil lug ? they do own a facility MIM parts have 95% of the density of "real" steel. Guess that 5% matters sometimes. I can't imagine that a lug stamped out of ordinary steel would ever do that. Yeah, it would bend if that is even possible. My experience with MIM (not good) finds it to be brittle. CZ triggers are MIM and I broke one taking the gun out of the stock. New Rem triggers are MIM along with a lot of gun parts these days. That cracked recoil lug must be MIM. I agree, a piece of stamped steel that thick would bend before it broke, unless it was overly hardened. And I don't think recoil lugs would be hardened enough to be that brittle. The problem with sending it back, you'll get another MIM part. I don't think it would cost that much to replace that lug with a steel one, check the headspace and move on. At least the replacement won't crack like that. I would think 700 Rem smiths probably have vintage OEM lugs lying around the shop. IMO. DF +1
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There is no benefit for the consumer in manufacturing anything firearms related using MIM... I fixed that a little... But as long as guys keep buying their crap the bean counters at Remington will keep selling it to them. ..guaranteed...
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If you're keeping the rifle, get an old solid steel recoil lug and have your smith change it out.
Don't send it back to Remington.
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Powdered metal recoil lug ? they do own a facility Bolts are not nearly fancy enough material-specification-wise to use sintered steel.
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I would send it back to Remington on their dime and let them fix it.....It will be fine, My guess is your problem is a very isolated issue as Remington sells tens of thousands of Model 700's every year and I am not aware of recoil lugs ever being an issue.........Good luck........Hb
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No sweat, great selection from OEM replacement (0.187" thick) to super duper precision stuff. http://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=Remington+700+recoil+lugs&userItemsPerPage=48Any gunsmith with all his fingers remaining can easily swap one in, even cutting the barrel shoulder back for a thick precision one to fit. But I'd send it back to Remington first, that way they know there's a problem.
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Powdered metal recoil lug ? they do own a facility Bolts are not nearly fancy enough material-specification-wise to use sintered steel. WTF are you talking about, is powdered metal not used in the MIM process? Who is talking about a bolt?
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I would send it back to Remington on their dime and let them fix it.....It will be fine, My guess is your problem is a very isolated issue as Remington sells tens of thousands of Model 700's every year and I am not aware of recoil lugs ever being an issue.........Good luck........Hb I've bought 3 new Remington's in the past year - an ADL, an SPS and a long range. Both the ADL and SPS are going back to Remington very shortly. Buddy bought two ADL's a year or so ago, both had issues. Their quality has gotten to be the worst I've seen of any brand.
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It would be interesting to know what the hardness is of the cracked recoil lug and whether or not the face of the receiver is square.
The last Remington action I used to build a rifle was way out of square and the face of the action looked like it had been cut off with a chop saw.
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Not all Remington actions are the same, but most need to be trued when barreling. The recoil lugs are steel and not sure if Remington knows their hardness.
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I had a cracked lug on a used LVSF I bought, simple swap out and confirm headspace is still acceptable. It took me under 10min. And everyone here owns all the tools to do that job??? Not very fu ckig likely. Drummond, sorry to see this happen buddy. Hopefully Remington can put a better one on when they repair it!!!!!!!
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I have an email in to Remington now. I'll let y'all know how it goes. Crazy thing is the damn thing shot pretty good but the last shot I took was a layup at a coyote and I miffed it. It's bothered me since it happened last month I will be interested in their response. Possibly a bad batch of steel. Remember what happened to Sako with their SS barrels ten years ago..... Casey
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Powdered metal recoil lug ? they do own a facility MIM parts have 95% of the density of "real" steel. Guess that 5% matters sometimes. I can't imagine that a lug stamped out of ordinary steel would ever do that. There is no benefit in a recoil lug being manufactured using MIM It is far to simple a part to die stamp. A die is less expensive to build vs a MIM injection mold and in the production scenario there is no secondary operation in the oven that MIM requires I imagine you're correct there. I was just on an anti-MIM rant. Any idea on how a stamped piece that thick could develop a crack like that?
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I checked the hardness on a couple of Remington recoil lugs that were in our junk drawer. They came out @ 36 on the RC scale. That is about what I thought it would be. Really surprises me that one would crack since it is a part that does not need to be hard.
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yeah, and Rem bolt handles don't fall off either... My father in law is an old DuPont executive so he has always been a Remington man as well as an IMR man. Over the past 5 years he's had 7 bolt handles fall off while shooting at the bench. All either model Seven or 700s
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In all my years of competitive shooting I have witnessed a lot of things, guns blown up, guns that won't go bang, squib loads etc. etc. I have yet to see a Rem 700 bolt handle come off. How does one person go about breaking off 7 of them?
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I had a cracked lug on a used LVSF I bought, simple swap out and confirm headspace is still acceptable. It took me under 10min. And everyone here owns all the tools to do that job??? Not very fu ckig likely. Drummond, sorry to see this happen buddy. Hopefully Remington can put a better one on when they repair it!!!!!!! Easy there killer. I never said everyone would, or should - nor did I defend Remington. The op asked if anyone else had seen a cracked lug, and I said I did and how I fixed it.
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I just found the lug I replaced.... ![[Linked Image]](http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/herm338/IMG_0374_zps8eb2ojcr.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/herm338/IMG_0372_zpsrz91qwit.jpg)
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