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Damn if that place ain't producing BETTER points!

Good finds!


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
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Anyone ever found any Indian trade beads?


Yes. Found a few when I was a kid. Both blue.

Found a primitive turquoise ground flat bead as well. Found most of them in or around red ant beds.


Red ant beds were the prime area for finding trade beads. When I was a small kid (and dad was still a member of the old Texas archaeological society) we were gifted 15 gallons of ant mound dirt. We found a bead or two.

While I was doing volunteer archaeological work at Presidio Los Ades state historical site at Robeline Louisiana we wet screened all the dirt from the test pits. We found lots of beads here, by this method! All basic Venetian glass beads.

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Good looking points! Love this thread!


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Originally Posted by westside_benny
Here are a couple that I have collected from the lake shores...depends on the ice as to what is unearthed. Always amazed that even a scrap survives hundreds of years, more aptly hundreds of freeze-thaw cycles. Holds up better than our roads! Would love to find a larger piece but not likely when it comes to pottery shards in the upper midwest.

Love looking at these and pondering the patterns etched on them..pieces of string and fingernails from long before my time.

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Benny break a piece or two and see what the unweathered inside looks like. If it looks a rock then these pieces are weathered rocks. Pottery will have a different color and tiny bits and pieces of other materials such ground pottery or sand in the matrix (called temper). Post some pics of the fresh edge here on the fire.


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This is a hip bone of a bison calf with a flint point buried in it. The point protrudes slightly out the other side. It was found in SW Utah. I purchased it 25 years ago from the person that found it. I took it to the Michigan State museum and had it identified. They told me it came from a dry climate and had laid on the surface. They guessed it to be 150-200 years old

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Originally Posted by Longhunter_1
This is a hip bone of a bison calf with a flint point buried in it. The point protrudes slightly out the other side. It was found in SW Utah. I purchased it 25 years ago from the person that found it. I took it to the Michigan State museum and had it identified. They told me it came from a dry climate and had laid on the surface. They guessed it to be 150-200 years old

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Think of the odds of finding that.


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Originally Posted by navlav8r
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This is a hip bone of a bison calf with a flint point buried in it. The point protrudes slightly out the other side. It was found in SW Utah. I purchased it 25 years ago from the person that found it. I took it to the Michigan State museum and had it identified. They told me it came from a dry climate and had laid on the surface. They guessed it to be 150-200 years old

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Think of the odds of finding that.


If you have a find like that, that is indeed authentic, they are very, very rare.

It can be verified and have a COA (Certificate of Authenticity) by one of several places that offer such.

Unfortunately, starting around 1950's there have been numerous people making fakes. Some are done with authentic points in ancient bone. (Those are the better ones)
Some are fake points in more recent bones.

For every authentic piece like that, there are 10's of thousands of fakes.

Either way, they make for an interesting conversation piece.


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That's an awesome piece Lh1...


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
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Originally Posted by Cinch
Anyone ever found any Indian trade beads?


Yes. Found a few when I was a kid. Both blue.

Found a primitive turquoise ground flat bead as well. Found most of them in or around red ant beds.


Red ant beds were the prime area for finding trade beads. When I was a small kid (and dad was still a member of the old Texas archaeological society) we were gifted 15 gallons of ant mound dirt. We found a bead or two.

While I was doing volunteer archaeological work at Presidio Los Ades state historical site at Robeline Louisiana we wet screened all the dirt from the test pits. We found lots of beads here, by this method! All basic Venetian glass beads.


I heard you need to do it on a cold morning to avoid any angry confrontation with the ants...
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Originally Posted by Cinch
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Originally Posted by Cinch
Anyone ever found any Indian trade beads?


Yes. Found a few when I was a kid. Both blue.

Found a primitive turquoise ground flat bead as well. Found most of them in or around red ant beds.


Red ant beds were the prime area for finding trade beads. When I was a small kid (and dad was still a member of the old Texas archaeological society) we were gifted 15 gallons of ant mound dirt. We found a bead or two.

While I was doing volunteer archaeological work at Presidio Los Ades state historical site at Robeline Louisiana we wet screened all the dirt from the test pits. We found lots of beads here, by this method! All basic Venetian glass beads.


I heard you need to do it on a cold morning to avoid any angry confrontation with the ants...
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laugh !!!


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Cinch
Anyone ever found any Indian trade beads?


Yes. Found a few when I was a kid. Both blue.

Found a primitive turquoise ground flat bead as well. Found most of them in or around red ant beds.


Red ant beds were the prime area for finding trade beads. When I was a small kid (and dad was still a member of the old Texas archaeological society) we were gifted 15 gallons of ant mound dirt. We found a bead or two.

While I was doing volunteer archaeological work at Presidio Los Ades state historical site at Robeline Louisiana we wet screened all the dirt from the test pits. We found lots of beads here, by this method! All basic Venetian glass beads.


I heard you need to do it on a cold morning to avoid any angry confrontation with the ants...
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laugh !!!


Those beads are sweet. What is the fire ant connection? I have images of some poor bastard tied to a stake...but doubt the colony stays put that long. I don' think those trade beads had any widespread use up here, although my hunting techniques would not turn up many...tend to move fast through plowed fields after the first heavy rain.


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Originally Posted by Prwlr
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Here are a couple that I have collected from the lake shores...depends on the ice as to what is unearthed. Always amazed that even a scrap survives hundreds of years, more aptly hundreds of freeze-thaw cycles. Holds up better than our roads! Would love to find a larger piece but not likely when it comes to pottery shards in the upper midwest.

Love looking at these and pondering the patterns etched on them..pieces of string and fingernails from long before my time.

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Benny break a piece or two and see what the unweathered inside looks like. If it looks a rock then these pieces are weathered rocks. Pottery will have a different color and tiny bits and pieces of other materials such ground pottery or sand in the matrix (called temper). Post some pics of the fresh edge here on the fire.



I don't need to break anything in half. Those are most definitely pottery. I find most after the lake recedes during a winter where the ice really chews up the shore. Plenty of them are already broken revealing the clay/substrate mixture they are made of. My photography skills are not the best, if they were you would see markings on them of patterns made by string, fingernails and tool marks. Definitely NOT a box of old rocks, ROFLMAO...


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How come you're finding more there, Don?

Wind or rain erode some areas for you?


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Not fire ants, red ants. Well the ants are a secondary thing. They need to have their mounds located in a known,historic (post contact) archaeological sight. The ants do the work of bringing the beads to the surface( like the do the little bits of gravel et al), as they build tunnels.

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
How come you're finding more there, Don?

Wind or rain erode some areas for you?


I got sick of never finding anything, so I harrowed up an area last fall about 60x150 where the most stuff was found. We've had some 60 mph winds and a couple of nice, wet snows. The weatherman is calling for more rain tomorrow and saturday so I worked it up again this afternoon after finding this batch.

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