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When buying scales for reloading,think about what your using it for and your safety.Buy something that is accurate and dependable.
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As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
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My son had the same rifle with a really short throat and I had similar problems. Shorten your COAL to about 3.2". I also couldn't load it anywhere near max, I hit 2700 fps with 180gr partitions at around 54gr of H4350, My howa 1500 takes 57gr for the same velocity. It was a lot different than any other 30-06 I've loaded for (5-6 different rifles). I would try a shorter COAL, and start at 51gr. $100 chrono is your friend and good investment.
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When buying scales for reloading,think about what your using it for and your safety.Buy something that is accurate and dependable. I have a beam scale coming today. Honestly, until now I haven't really had a reason to question the scale I have. The last two times or so I was weighing charges it really seemed like it wanted to drift a tenth or two one way or another. My son had the same rifle with a really short throat and I had similar problems. Shorten your COAL to about 3.2". I also couldn't load it anywhere near max, I hit 2700 fps with 180gr partitions at around 54gr of H4350, My howa 1500 takes 57gr for the same velocity. It was a lot different than any other 30-06 I've loaded for (5-6 different rifles). I would try a shorter COAL, and start at 51gr. $100 chrono is your friend and good investment. I will be ordering my chronograph this evening. Thanks for the feedback, glad to see it isn't only me having this issue!
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Scale is off. You should not be compressing that start load. Electronics are nice, but a beam is always nice to have for those times when things get hinky - as they will with an electronic scale from time to time. This is probably right. What you could do, in the mean time, is weigh a bullet and see if the reading agrees with the box. Today's bullets are really quite consistent. If it happens to land at some weight which suggests it could possibly be a mislabeled box of bullets, measure length of a bullet and compare that to what Midway's site says under details for that bullet. Probably not, but ... while you're waiting ...
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If you're using 180 grain bullets, find some Ramshot Hunter powder. JB likes it for 180s and I took his advice years ago. ![[Linked Image]](http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w84/pharmseller/image.jpg2_zpse2wap9pg.jpg) Nosler lists 60 grains as max, I found velocity and accuracy at 59 grains. Work up to it. P
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Just use max charges of H-4831 SC in your '06 for all bullet weights, you'll have no over pressure problems and may experience stellar accuracy to boot.
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I guess I'll just splurge on my next amazon order and pick up a beam scale AND a chronograph. My wife is gonna love me! Small electronic scales will try to kill you. They are only good for weighing brass, not powder.
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The scale is sitting at my house(currently at work here) and the chronograph will be in tomorrow. I've already pulled the remaining bullets, when I get home tonight I'm gonna weigh the charges. I'll report back my findings with charge weights.
Thanks for the tip on 4831. I have to pick up some imr4831 for my 270, I know it's a similar powder but would it truly be comparable?
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I love H4831 in my 30/06's
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Well, weighed all the charges...
All came up either accurate or off by up to .4 grains less then they should have been. At least my old scale wasn't trying to blow my face off, it just didn't want my loads to be as accurate as they could've been.
Tomorrow I'm going to load up some of those 168s and also some more of those 180s using the advice I got here about seating them deeper and backing the load off. My chronograph will be here tomorrow as well so I'll go out saturday morning and check my work.
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The scale is sitting at my house(currently at work here) and the chronograph will be in tomorrow. I've already pulled the remaining bullets, when I get home tonight I'm gonna weigh the charges. I'll report back my findings with charge weights.
Thanks for the tip on 4831. I have to pick up some imr4831 for my 270, I know it's a similar powder but would it truly be comparable? You're welcome, and No, there's quite a bit of difference in the burn rates of H and IMR 4831 powders, you could always use the H-4831 in your 270, Jack O'Connor killed a thousand head of game with that powder in a 270 with 130 gr bullets.
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Hmm.Didn't the electronic scale come with two test weights?.
In larger capacity cases, like the .06 and + a few tenths of a grain of powder will not effect accuracy. If you are treading on the hairy edge of max loads though,that might not be true
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Hmm.Didn't the electronic scale come with two test weights?.
In larger capacity cases, like the .06 and + a few tenths of a grain of powder will not effect accuracy. If you are treading on the hairy edge of max loads though,that might not be true
Only one, a 100gram weight for calibration.
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Tell the wife that you were told this...... buy something nice you'll soon forget the price!
But....be prepared to have it used on YOU someday!
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Hmm.Didn't the electronic scale come with two test weights?.
In larger capacity cases, like the .06 and + a few tenths of a grain of powder will not effect accuracy. If you are treading on the hairy edge of max loads though,that might not be true
Only one, a 100gram weight for calibration. My RCBS came with a 100 and 500 grain weight test slug
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Tell the wife that you were told this...... buy something nice you'll soon forget the price!
But....be prepared to have it used on YOU someday! I'm already there with it, I bought some Swarovski SLCs last year and I cringed looking at the price and my bank statement... but using them last season I quickly forgot the price. I've probably bought the last pair of binos I'll ever need and I'm trying to do that with the rest of my stuff.
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Hmm.Didn't the electronic scale come with two test weights?.
In larger capacity cases, like the .06 and + a few tenths of a grain of powder will not effect accuracy. If you are treading on the hairy edge of max loads though,that might not be true
Only one, a 100gram weight for calibration. 100 gram or 100grain? 100gr is over 1500 grains.
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Stormin Norman hit a point that is important: Before you start loading, determine the COL that puts your particular bullet right at the lands.
The easy way to do that is to form a case, and then split the neck with two cuts 180 degrees apart. Deburr. Put the bullet you are using just barely into the case, and put the bullet plus case in the rifle and close the bolt. Open the bolt and measure the length of the resulting assembly. Repeat a couple of times to ensure that you've got the right number.
A very good starting point for COL is .030" shorter than that. Book loads are not designed to allow having the bullet right at the lands. That creates high pressure.
Different bullets of the same weight will have different maximum COLs.
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