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Unless an old rifle hasn't been maintained, or has been used really hard, or been messed with, I'd say they are, in general, more reliable than newer ones with plastic or MIM'd parts and complicated designs. Lots of new guns apparently are never function tested before leaving the factory. New guns are also often built to a price point whereas older ones, I believe, were priced based on what it cost to make them, if you get my meaning.
For over thirty years my primary hunting rifle was a pre64 M70 made in 1950. Never, in all that time did it give me a bit of trouble of any kind. I also have had a number of rifles built on commercial and one military Mauser action. Again, not one issue. Older Sakos are in the same category, although my experience with them is limited.
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There is hardly anything more classic or reliable than a properly done Mauser... Ingwe, who built that rifle? 375HH?
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Commercial version of the Mauser M 98. They can be bought for a good price.
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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Not sure what your point it - I ended up buying the Battue after doing my research and checking it out in my local gun shop - and it sits in my gun cabinet right now. Older rifles have caught my attention just from an interest perspective and I don't know much about them - thus asking here. Don't want to answer the post? Just ignore it - simple. What are you going to hunt and where?
In another post here you wrote:
"I am looking to add to my gun cabinet with a rifle that will be used for whitetail deer hunting at close range in thick cover. Think maximum of 75 meter shots and often at moving deer. The two I am considering the most are the Tikka Battue Lite and the Browning BLR. Caliber will be likely be 7mm-08 or 308 - both are offered in it.
Any and all opinions welcome. I have primarily been a bowhunter and am slowly transitioning into the rifle hunting world."
Go to gunshops and handle the guns they have both new and used.
Find one you like the best and buy one that's priced fair.
If you like a scope on a hunting rifle then add one.
Pay no attention to savage, he's strange... Putting it lightly..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Commercial version of the Mauser M 98. They can be bought for a good price. Often times, too good of a price... Ran across a Whitworth 375H&H, that was beautiful, right after I sold my pre 64 H&H to Gunner. I told myself I was done with the 375, but that Whitworth was calling my name. They were asking $600.00 for it and it was well worth that. Had a pretty damn nice stick of wood on it too... I went back the next weekend, and she said it had sold. Didn't last long at that price!!!!
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Paid $900 (IIRC) for my Whitworth .375 H&H. It was in the LGS for a few months when I seen it. Need to take it to Africa now.
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All of my bolt guns are modern, mostly stainless, and all with either factory or aftermarket synthetic stocks. Not interested in a Classic wood bolt rifle. But I can appreciate them. I own a dozen Marlin and Winchester lever rifles. Most were made between the 1950's into the 1970's. When I get the urge to hunt with a Classic walnut/blue rifle one of these 30-30's get the call. Both are 1958 production. This defines "Classic" for me.
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They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
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In my book nothing beats a nicely finished 98 Mauser sporter though I have always thought a Savage 219 single shot in 30-30 would be a fun deer rifle to hunt with.
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Savage 99, screw all that Euro-trash.
Only get a Pre-64 Model 70 if your humor went out the window with your prostate.
Don't be afraid of a Remington 141, 760 or a Marlin 336.
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I hate to recommend them, because I might want another and the prices are going up. I have two FN commercial Mausers and a semi custom built on a Zastava 98 action. Your best and cheapest way to go is probably a discontinued Remington 98 or Zastava 98. New or slightly used. They have hardly changed in almost 120 years. Captdavid
"It's not how hard you hit 'em, it's where you hit 'em." The 30-06 will, with the right bullet, successfully take any game animal in North America up to 300yds.
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Pre-'64 M70 FWT in .30-06 for me.
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H&R model 340,98 action, nice classic lines, and some were even made with Douglas barrels! If you can find one they usually bring a fraction of the price of a pre-64 Winchester,yet function and looks are every bit as good!Flame suit donned!
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H&R model 340,98 action, nice classic lines, and some were even made with Douglas barrels! If you can find one they usually bring a fraction of the price of a pre-64 Winchester,yet function and looks are every bit as good!Flame suit donned!
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Husqvarna 640 or 146 based on the FN 98 actions. Still under priced, but chamberings are pretty much restricted to 8x57, 30-06, 9.3x57 and occasionally 9.3x62. Barrels are Swedish made and very accurate.
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There is hardly anything more classic or reliable than a properly done Mauser... Ingwe, who built that rifle? 375HH? Built by Dennis Erhardt...7x57
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Of course theres always a sporterized Enfield .303.....
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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Husqvarna 640 or 146 based on the FN 98 actions. Still under priced, but chamberings are pretty much restricted to 8x57, 30-06, 9.3x57 and occasionally 9.3x62. Barrels are Swedish made and very accurate. Imho, the 146 and 640 are the most under-rated bargain available in the USA at this time! Most are A third of the price of a good pre-64 model 70. ( if money is a factor) And they are damn good rifles! A man who sets out with a 640 In 8x57 or 30/06 would be classically outfitted for just about anything. Again JMHO
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Of course theres always a sporterized Enfield .303..... That is one ugly moose you killed Ingwe. But,a fine lookin' rifle though.
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Depending on how you hunt, a Marlin 336, Winchester 94, or a Savage 99 can be just about perfect. Unless rain is in the forecast, my old 336 is the only rifle that sees my N.C. mountain place. Grandpa's gun doesn't have to hunt in the rain anymore.
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The Remington 721's are pretty nice "vintage" rifles. Also, commercial FN Mausers, I use my dad's old "Musketeer" in 30-06 on a regular basis.
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