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the double stack thing is indeed hard to find for a 10mm 1911. I would go G40 before I got a RIA, but I generally avoid products you read about where fluff and buff or flying front sights or self destructed stuff is posted.... I surely hate the glock triggers for target work and I have tried a lot of replacement triggers that did not help that much, but the damn things work all the time. If glock made a G40 with a 1911 trigger in it and an external swipe down safety I would be standing in line to get it, hang the price. Thanks Jimmy, a Glock so rigged would be a very worthy improvement.
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For a commercial gun this is about the closest there is... http://armscor.com/firearms/rock-series/rock-ultra-fs-hc-10mm/I have one just like it single-stack and was shooting it Monday...palm size group at 23 yards with 1250 fps loads...is every bit as accurate as the 10s I have costing twice as much... I don't care for the safety but that is easily replaced... But if you have to have everything on you list custom is he way to go... Just wondering why a double-stack...going to be heavy with 16 rounds on board.... Bob I'm telling ya Bob, I nearly reached around for my wallet the other day, Bud said 7 bills out the door and he'd throw in a box of 180 gr 10mm FMJ ammo. Weight on a carry piece never bothered me any, I forget they are there at times.
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LOL EE, gun Bud had a 45 there too, I didn't bother to look at it, have had some kind of 10mm bug for awhile now.
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I have one of the RIA's in 9mm/.22 TCM, and it seems to be well made. The .22 TCM has plenty of quirks, but that's a different story As far as a double stack 1911 in 10mm, that's a tough one as STI does not list 10mm as an option in their double stacks. Caspian does sell DS receivers, including titanium: https://www.caspianarms.com/product-category/double-stackand you could do cool things like get a Damascus slide for it But there will be lead time to obtain the parts and get them fitted. In single stack 10mm 1911's today, I'd take a hard look at Dan Wesson's Silverback series. If money is no object Nighthawk makes some wonderful 10mm's. Colt is offering Delta Elites now with frame rails, but AFAIK they don't have fully supported barrels, which limits how heavy you can load. Gotta stay with the Novak style rear sight Tex, that beautiful Silverback is Bar-Sto. The DW Valor makes me weak in the knees, if I decide not to spend the money for a custom built double stack, I'll buy a Valor and call it REAL GOOD!
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The primary limiting factor to the breech pressure attained in the 10mm is not the standard (i.e., unramped) barrel, but rather the case construction.
Remember that the 9x23 Win (55K PSI) was successfully produced in the standard Colt 1911 GM without a ramped barrel. No blowups as far as I know, but a suitably constructed case. Yes, my investigating says Winchester brass is the strongest, though hard to find, sane loads in a ramped barrel should prove Starline to be just fine too.
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A Dan Wesson Valor 10mm is what I'd buy. It doesn't quite meet your requirements, no ramp or double stack, but they're as nice as a production pistol can get. I have a Valor Commander in 45 ACP and it's one fine pistol. IIRC the Valor in 10mm is ramped, though not needed in standard 45 ACP loads, love the Valor.
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The perfect 10mm is a Colt Delta Elite O2020XE and a dollop of patience. Fire the pistol as is, and if there's any chamber/ramp related issues (which I doubt) order a custom ramped barrel and have it installed. Any other tweaks can also be done at that time.
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Naw. The perfect 10 is the old 1006 Smith. Very accurate, soft shooting, built from the ground up as a 10mm, not a .45 ACP. Will handle anything, even lead semi wadcutters. E
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The Colt is nice, but lacking many things I'd like to have for on a carry 10mm pistol.
Oheremicus, a lot of truth in that, have heard the old Smith's were built like a tank, remember seeing one in the classifieds here that sold for a little over 600 bucks.
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Did you see the double stack PARA 10/.40 that Ed posted over on my thread about the 4-caliber Kimber...looks like just what you want...
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I saw that and even conducted a bit of experimentation here, 10mm ammo will load and function just fine in 1911 45 ACP mags.
A Para P14 or P16 could make a fine conversion, would have to research the Para brand for quality, [metallurgical makeup] toughness, accuracy and reliability.
Also have my 'Smith working me up a price for a custom build on an STI double stack lower.
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PARA, as you probably know, has been absorbed by Freedom Group and is now manufactured in the Remington 1911 factory. Put a 10mm barrel in this and you are ready to go.. http://para-usa.com/2013/firearms/competition/custom1640.php
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Naw. The perfect 10 is the old 1006 Smith. Very accurate, soft shooting, built from the ground up as a 10mm, not a .45 ACP. Will handle anything, even lead semi wadcutters. E Your right. I have a S&W 1006. Love it. But the Delta spends a lot more time on my hip than the S&W.
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That one's awful close Bob, gotta go Novak sights for a carry gun, was hung up in a tight spot once for several hours, a Bar-Sto sight nearly gnawed a damn hole in my ribs. ;]
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Naw. The perfect 10 is the old 1006 Smith. Very accurate, soft shooting, built from the ground up as a 10mm, not a .45 ACP. Will handle anything, even lead semi wadcutters. E Your right. I have a S&W 1006. Love it. But the Delta spends a lot more time on my hip than the S&W. The Delta is a fine looking pistol Gibby, no doubt!
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...just round off the rear blade...that is what I hand my smith do to my two...
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Have thought about that too, will need to throw up a couple pistols with a Bar-sto sight to see if they come to my eye as quick as a Novak or Heinie style.
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I've owned a load of 10mm's and Oheremicus is right, the 1006 is the best.
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I've owned a load of 10mm's and Oheremicus is right, the 1006 is the best. Bet it's the toughest across the board, have heard they shoot with good accuracy and impeccable reliability.
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The primary limiting factor to the breech pressure attained in the 10mm is not the standard (i.e., unramped) barrel, but rather the case construction.
Remember that the 9x23 Win (55K PSI) was successfully produced in the standard Colt 1911 GM without a ramped barrel. No blowups as far as I know, but a suitably constructed case. Yes, my investigating says Winchester brass is the strongest, though hard to find, sane loads in a ramped barrel should prove Starline to be just fine too. Meant non-ramped barrel with Starline brass in the Colt.
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