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BS. Ezekiel was written 701-680 BC. King Neb was a hundred years later. Ezekiel did not say King Neb would destroy Tyre.

Ezekiel 26:3-5, “Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, OTyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up.  And they shall destroy the walls of , and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock. It shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD: and it shall become a spoil to the 

Starman,

Nice job.

Here's one more item to highlight:

thou shalt be built no more:

Even if someone accepts the "Many Nations", were any of the current or future nation who could possibly invade Babylon over the next million years, the alleged prophecy fail on that last part since the area's been rebuilt since the Alexander.

AS.......

Ah, back to the real estate issue. Refuge of last resort for the naysayers.

So, again, was the prophecy against Tyre, the city state or against the real estate. Note this lifted comment:

"Non-believers often interpret this prophecy found in Ezekiel 26:1-21 as meaning that Nebuchadnezzar was supposed to be the one who destroyed Tyre. Believers, however, including myself, often interpret this prophecy as meaning that "many nations" were supposed to destroy the Phoenician city of Tyre, over a long period of time, beginning with Nebuchadnezzar. We base our interpretation on verse 3, which states that "many nations" would attack Tyre, like waves casting against the shore. And history shows that many nations did attack Tyre. Alexander the Great used ships from many nations to conquer the island city in about 332 BC, bringing a permanent end to the Phoenician Empire."

Note, bringing a permanent end to the "Phoenician Empire."

I note you are no longer arguing about the Neb prophecy and you are no longer arguing about Alexander's destruction of Tyre and his destruction of the nation of Tyre. You have retreated and take some dim consolation that since the are places where "fishermen spread their nets" and there are now Syrians (?) living there that the prophecy fails.

Eisegesis to the max.

Tell me, in your mind, do you think Ezekiel was prophesying against the real estate or the Phoenician Empire?

Ezekial did not say it would be destroyed by Alexander 240 years later. He said it would be destroyed by Neberkenezer. The writing is very clear. Yes the alleged prophecy makes a single reference to "many nations" what we would today call a coalition force, it follows with:

"I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north,"

And specific actions are attributed to Nebuchadnezzar. Among those are:

26:9 And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers.

Nope, the walls stood.

26:10 when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach.

No, didn't happen.

26:11 With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground.

No didn't happen.

26:12 And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water

No, after 13 years he gave up and negotiated a peace.

The result was to be:

26:14 And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it,

Tyre's complete build up today.

And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more.

You are always more comfortable arguing about vents which might, or might not, have occurred thousands of years ago than to HONESTLY discuss the Spiritual Realm which surrounds you right now.

You have no explanation worthy of the name for what learned men for centuries have called Natural Law.

You can't explain how peoples geographically separated and living in entirely different cultures existing thousands of years apart come to pretty much the same conclusions regarding right and wrong.

You deny that human beings are born with a religious instinct.

In fact, these things you deny are responsible for the only good parts of YOU.

By assigning these things I mention to causes other than Spiritual, you are committing the blasphemy Jesus warned about.

I should care...... but I don't.

AS,

So was this event the end of the Phoenician Empire or not?

You still don't want to understand. You choose to remain in your shell.

If you care to, look at history and see a distinction between the island of Tyre where the governing capital was and the mainlands.

Did Neb come against the mainlands and ALexander against the island city.

So, again, was the prophecy against the Phoenician Empire or the real estate?

zounds to me like a bunch of space aliens traveled & networked over the earth, teaching and leading the inhabitants toward a civilized understanding? pyramids everywhere, statues that look "foreign?", superhuman building projects. things flying around...what was going on? were those ancient writers having a hallucination, or were they reporting what they were seeing, given their understanding as members of their culture?

Curdog,

Again you are wrong on both counts. We have scientific explanations for what you call "Natural Law'.

At the most basic level, it's because combat is expensive. Even if you win, you could still loose.

Imagine wolf number #1 takes out wolf number #2, but is so injured in the process he's eliminated by wolf #3.

As I've explained in other posts, that it appears you either skipped or ignored, cooperative groups are more efficient and can produce more per capita then lone individuals. As a result, groups that cooperate and work together and develop a system of allocating resources without killing each other are more successful then those who do not.

Groups who do not, win the coveted Group Darwin Award.

It exists because it works. No god required.

Good post. But he is a scoffer. I'd say you've done your best.
Now kick the dust off your sandals and leave him to his own devices.

Surely you know that when you rationalize God away, you've only removed Him from your mind, not from His Universe.

But......He won't even stay absent from your mind, will He?

The fact you post on these threads is proof of that.

Alexander was never mentioned in your alleged prophecy, nor the Phonetician Empire, and Nebuchadrezzar failed.

Let me give you a modern equivalent of the game of bait-and-switch you are playing.

Imagine that in 1763 someone predicted that Catherine the Great would take Bagdad, salt the earth, and no one would ever live there again, then claimed their prediction came true when under George The Younger, 3rd ID Marched into Bagdad.

Would you really say that was a fulfilled prophecy?

Really?

Says he who admits he has not independently verifiable evidence for the existence of his alleged god.

Until you can present some real evidence, none of the rest of your assertions regarding your god hold any water.

Gus,

Do you really believe the Egyptians were incapable of building the Pyramids?

Not aliens, the Nephilim.

OK then, thanks for clearing that minor detail up. it does go a long way in explaining a lot. civilizing an uninhabited earth can't be easy. first the dinosaurs have to be discussed, and then eliminated.

der cold=blooded reptilians had a role to play no doubt. but then their time come.

This^^^. Lots of wind to confuse from the confused.

they finally did find a way to do so. it took a spell though. it didn't happen overnite, for sure. uh, and noone from over there has any direct knowledge of how they actually did it. the descendents don't know. why is that?

Gus,

It was completed around 2560 BCE. That about 4577 years ago, or 2000 generations ago.

What trade craft techniques were passed down to you from 4500 years ago? Can you weave grass moccasins?

why no, no i can't since you've asked. plenty of folks around the perimeter of modern culture can create useful bowls from long-leaf pine needles. not me, but they charge for such things as if they were unique, specialty products, and people buy them. good for everybody since the trees produce shed needles year after year.

honestly i don't even think we can replicate a cathedral built back in the middle ages. those skills seemed to have vanished? a modern day cathedral with a ton of details, what a concept. don't think many are coming up out of the ground these days. maybe all the sacred spots have already been taken? i don't know.