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#11983126 - 04/19/17 Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223  
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Anyone have any experience with this rifle in the newer versions? What is a reasonable accuracy expectation? Do they function reliably? Are they easily scoped?

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#11983248 - 04/19/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: super T]  
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I am sure that as always we will have a brisk discussion on this rifle. I have owned 3 of them but will not ever buy another. Firing pin breaks on hard military primers and as I understand it you got to send the thing ack to Ruger for a replacement. Accuracy with any type of ammo will never be as good as a DI gun, if you have to have one be sure and clean the gas port and op rod as it will rust. In my opinion it's overpriced for what it is, but some people like them and tell stories about their accuracy smile my favorite is the one where you spend $1000 over the price of the gun and then display 3 shot groups! Shoot 10 rounds and post that picture!


#11983313 - 04/19/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: super T]  
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It's an American made AK

Advantage is stainless steel and no pistol grip--was CA legal for years.

In states where ARs are permitted, it is not the first choice


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#11983348 - 04/19/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: super T]  
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if its what you want and it will produce groups small enough to keep you happy, then grab it and run.

I"m like a few others. Don't want one. M1A, yes, Mini 14 nope.


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#11983504 - 04/19/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: super T]  
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The design was updated about 10 years ago, the barrel was made with a thicker tube, stiffer, and reported as somewhat better in the overall accuracy.

The wood stock was largely replaced with the synthetic design, the front sight was smaller, and moved to the end of the barrel.

The older model were hit or miss on accuracy, I've had both. Haven't shot a newer version, so can't comment.

The Ranch model is designed to wear a scope, the rifle handles scopes very easy in my experience, standard Ruger rings, same size, usually 1 inch. The standard Mini receiver does not have the Ruger bases.

I like the looks of the older design, as stated above, if it meets your needs - run with it.

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#11983518 - 04/19/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: super T]  
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Sub moa dog down all day, no. Minute of bad guy, yep.

I have 2 Mini 14's and 2 AR 15's. They each have good and bad characteristics in my opinion. If you like tricking things out go AR. If your happy with the supplied rings and a good scope mounted go Mini.


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#11983575 - 04/19/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: AH64guy]  
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Originally Posted by AH64guy
The design was updated about 10 years ago, the barrel was made with a thicker tube, stiffer, and reported as somewhat better in the overall accuracy.

The wood stock was largely replaced with the synthetic design, the front sight was smaller, and moved to the end of the barrel.

The older model were hit or miss on accuracy, I've had both. Haven't shot a newer version, so can't comment.

The Ranch model is designed to wear a scope, the rifle handles scopes very easy in my experience, standard Ruger rings, same size, usually 1 inch. The standard Mini receiver does not have the Ruger bases.

I like the looks of the older design, as stated above, if it meets your needs - run with it.


The Mini-14 made after 2005 with a 580-prefix serial number or higher are more consistant/generally more accurate than the earlier ones. Ruger made a few mods and retooled the production line.

Mine is about a 2MOA rifle with pretty much any ammo I've tried. Haven't done any special load development or mods so don't know how much better it could be.

Ranch rifles come with Ruger rings so very easy to scope.

#11984367 - 04/19/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: super T]  
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Thanks MikeL2, that's helpful. Currently I live in California for most of the year where AR's have been(for practical purposes)made illegal to own.

#11984535 - 04/20/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: super T]  
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Here is an older model Ranch Rifle that I sent to Accuracy Systems. Fortunately for me, prices were better back then.

I did the stock work myself. Picatinny rail from Brownells.

http://www.accuratemini14.com/index.php

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#11984639 - 04/20/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: super T]  
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not a fair comparison. LOL


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#11984656 - 04/20/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: rost495]  
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Originally Posted by rost495
not a fair comparison. LOL

grin

Probably not, but it is a fine rifle.

I costs a few bucks to have a Mini shoot against even the least expensive AR, but it can be done.

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Originally Posted by BMT
It's an American made AK

Advantage is stainless steel and no pistol grip--was CA legal for years.

In states where ARs are permitted, it is not the first choice

I never cease to be amazed how lethal that pistol grip seems to be...

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To be fair it costs a few bucks to get a top line AR too...

Lethal pistol grips... hmm, thats a funny one, so it fits funny KA I guess.


We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
#11985034 - 04/20/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: rost495]  
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Originally Posted by rost495
To be fair it costs a few bucks to get a top line AR too...

Lethal pistol grips... hmm, thats a funny one, so it fits funny KA I guess.

Probably should have said, equal money spent on a Mini and an AR, bet on the AR for better groups.

Mini probably tougher, less affected by dirt, etc., not sure if it's as tough as an AK.

I'd bet on a Mini outshooting an AK, especially the newer Mini with Ruger in-house, hammer forged barrels.

I've never liked AK's, never had one, never wanted one. I'm not much of a pray and spray advocate.

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#11985160 - 04/20/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: super T]  
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I have a forged AK.... have not been impressed with it either, had it since the 86? ban was going into effect, just to say FU to whichever idiot was banning importation at the time. So there. LOL. FWIW I'd take an SKS any day.. I've shot enough of them that are damn close to MOA guns to be impressed... sights and triggers still suck though...


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#11985719 - 04/20/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: rost495]  
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I had a Ruskie SKS. It went down the road some years ago.

Some people like them.

They don't ring my bell... grin

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I have an older ranch and a newer tactical, both stainless. I really like how they handle and they are accurate enough for self defense and mid range predator or deer duty. I would say 2.5-5 MOA with M193 equivalent, which will do less than half that in a DI AR that is cheaper than a mini. They are frustrating because seem to show promise but always throw out a flier or two. Despite it all, I still rely on mine for defense over my AR. I just like the way they come to the shoulder and how they feel when they fire. If you want a mini because you *really* want an M1A, just get an M1A. They are quite a bit more gun at quite a bit more price.

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I like the way they handle more than the AR. Never warmed up to that "lethal looking" pistol grip... shocked

Seriously, to me the AR feels clunky, the Mini handles more like a rifle should, IMO.

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its subjective, but there are no armies using the mini as far as I know, I always wondered if the full auto guns beat themselves to pieces. The AR is an amazing weapon. I shot my 6.8spc yesterday and got acceptable groups with benchmark and 95 grain TSX bullets, it made a few 1 inch groups for a change, pretty happy with it today. The Mini is a 1-9 twist IIRC so not sure what bullets you plan on shooting, the 1-7 ar will stabilize the longest barnes and 75 grain swifts but I think a 1-8 will also. In short if you live in a place you cannot own an ar, then buy a stainless steel mini and be happy, I would use only Ruger magazines and I would buy a bunch of them. At self defense ranges it will more than work.


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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
I like the way they handle more than the AR. Never warmed up to that "lethal looking" pistol grip... shocked

Seriously, to me the AR feels clunky, the Mini handles more like a rifle should, IMO.

DF



The gun that feels like a real gun is the M14/M1A. Still does to this day to the wife and I... Unfortunately we only have 2 of them full built match but not lugge,d MC stocks, Krieger tubes etc...

It took probably 2-3 years of the AR to learn the gun and learn to love it and its feel. Now it actually is much more familiar in our hands than the M1As.

Not sure that this makes sense, but love the feel of the M1A but the AR we shot so many years it is just now a react type of thing, you never think about it, grab it and go... its all still on auto pilot to load, shoot, clear a jam, change mags rapidly etc.... even though we quit matches in 2004....


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Originally Posted by rost495
To be fair it costs a few bucks to get a top line AR too...

Lethal pistol grips... hmm, thats a funny one, so it fits funny KA I guess.

Probably should have said, equal money spent on a Mini and an AR, bet on the AR for better groups.

Mini probably tougher, less affected by dirt, etc., not sure if it's as tough as an AK.

Not a chance on either count. There's a reason nobody considers Minis for serious work and no army in the World uses them.

But at least the Mini fixed the hand-induced stoppages of the M1 design.

Originally Posted by Larry Vickers
09-06-13, 16:19
The Mini-14's I have had in my classes have proven exactly what I have believed all along - they are not serious use firearms. They are for hobbyists, plinkers, and those who some how feel we should still be using a Garand variant as a service rifle.

Their performance in my classes has been very unimpressive - there is a reason you rarely see them anymore. They are trash.


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I believe that they are trash as well, but I did not want to hurt anyone's feelings, but what the hell...if you live in a free state and you buy a mini 14 over an ar15 you should probably have your head examined.


#11987349 - 04/21/17 Re: Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle in .223 [Re: super T]  
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Bermuda used to field the mini, but no longer. I believe some French PD/swat types use or used to use them. Some US prisons and Tex rangers used them over the years. Let's nit forget the A-team, Jeff Cooper wrote an article praising the then new mini as a handy little gun to keep behind the ranch door, poodle shooting caliber aside.

As has been stated, a mini comes to the shoulde like a traditional rifle. If you grew up with that, it just feels right. They are generally not as reliable as an AR, but they are close. They are no where near as accurate, cost more, and Ruger mags cost more than AR stuff, but they can still do most nods that need doing and are fun to shoot.

So, they are kind of like driving a vintage pickup. It isn't as fast, comfortable, or capable as a newer one, but it can still get most jobs done and it appeals to guys that like the style.

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Originally Posted by K1500
Bermuda used to field the mini, but no longer. I believe some French PD/swat types use or used to use them. Some US prisons and Tex rangers used them over the years. Let's nit forget the A-team, Jeff Cooper wrote an article praising the then new mini as a handy little gun to keep behind the ranch door, poodle shooting caliber aside.

As has been stated, a mini comes to the shoulde like a traditional rifle. If you grew up with that, it just feels right. They are generally not as reliable as an AR, but they are close. They are no where near as accurate, cost more, and Ruger mags cost more than AR stuff, but they can still do most nods that need doing and are fun to shoot.

So, they are kind of like driving a vintage pickup. It isn't as fast, comfortable, or capable as a newer one, but it can still get most jobs done and it appeals to guys that like the style.


This does not mirror my experience in any way. The Mini is not, and never has been, adequate. It has been trash from the beginning. I have yet to see a single one, regardless of age or model, exhibit anything resembling accuracy or reliability.

We used to see one or two every time we did a patrol rifle class or refresher, and I never saw one make it without failure. When they did run, they often had accuracy issues making it difficult to even post qualifying scores. Luckily, we havent seen one in years, so hopefully they are no longer being fielded in any real numbers. Even the most worn out, A1 LESO M16 is a far better weapon that any Mini 14 on the planet.

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