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If the Army was tasked with building the wall, Congress would still have to provide the funds. The President manages a budget, written and passed by Congress, that he has endorsed by way of his signature. He has some latitude to move funds and people around but, in the absence of a declaration of war (which would also require congressional approval), I doubt that he could simply tell the Army to build it and fund it from an existing budget. However, I was a little shocked that DHS could persuade the President and congress to simply waive the provisions of the National Environmental Policy Act and the Endangered Species Act for DHS's border security operations.
As I inferred in the last post, it has become a circus without a ring master down here on the border.
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Since 1907 the government has owned a 60-ft wide strip along the entire US-Mexican border. It's called the Roosevelt Easement. You old fuggers know everything!  To be honest I did not know this until know, Thanks for informing thy uninformed.
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Mudhen,
There may perhaps be a 60 foot easement, but how you going to get to that 60 foot easement?
Ponder that, building a wall with no legal easement across private or reservation land, that wall isn't going to happen...
Ever heard or NEPA? Yeah, that wont be a picnic either. It's called in the law an "easement by necessity." If the only access I have to my drain line is across my next door neighbor's property, I'm permitted to enter on that land for the purpose of maintaining said drain line when required. Same principle should apply here. 'Easements' are the last fuucking thing the Feds are worried about. It was an analogy, but you're correct.
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Just call it a vital national security issue, which it is. Funding would then be through the military, over which he's Commander In Chief. Much better spent than all the foreign intervention. Would it be legal for the military to build the wall; aren't domestic operations by the military illegal (except for the National Guard, in certain situations). Don't they build army bases and such in the US, funded through the military budget?
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If the Army was tasked with building the wall, Congress would still have to provide the funds. Sure, but same if the Army is tasked to launch a hundred cruise missiles into some tents in the Middle East. Doesn't mean they wait for funding approval from Congress before they do it.
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Just call it a vital national security issue, which it is. Funding would then be through the military, over which he's Commander In Chief. Much better spent than all the foreign intervention. Would it be legal for the military to build the wall; aren't domestic operations by the military illegal (except for the National Guard, in certain situations). Should be legal as long as they don't "execute the laws".
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Why not just have a bake sale?
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Just call it a vital national security issue, which it is. Funding would then be through the military, over which he's Commander In Chief. Much better spent than all the foreign intervention. Would it be legal for the military to build the wall; aren't domestic operations by the military illegal (except for the National Guard, in certain situations). During WW II, the US Army built a hiway across Canada to Alaska ans across a good share od Alaska. Don't see how construction of a wall on the Southern border would be any different. Though I also like the idea of the actual wall well inside Mexico, and the ma dueces just inside US territory. DMZ? Hell teah! You don't hear of many N Koreans getting into S Korea,
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Why not just have a bake sale? I know, let's have a spelling contest.
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That's not an illegal order. To take land from thousands of American citizens with compensation and then to build a wall on it? Oh, it don't get more obviously illegal than that. I don't know who's more of a danger to America, the Democrats or some of our own.
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That's not an illegal order. To take land from thousands of American citizens with compensation and then to build a wall on it? Oh, it don't get more obviously illegal than that. I don't know who's more of a danger to America, the Democrats or some of our own. The border is owned by the United States.
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Hard for me to get a handle on how this TRH's blithering, incoherent, and vague unspecific generalities can generate so much continued response.
....has me wondering if the site upgrade sees the annual KOTY awards moved to a new date, and are closer than we thought.
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The new funding bill prohibits (thanks to all the GOP p*ssies) any spending for a wall for now.
I suggest that Trump call up the Kentucky and Wisconsin National Guard for border patrol until the P*ssies in Chief of the House and Senate quit fugging around. Pretty sure he can do that, 9th Circuit be damned.
What fresh Hell is this?
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The new funding bill prohibits (thanks to all the GOP p*ssies) any spending for a wall for now.
I suggest that Trump call up the Kentucky and Wisconsin National Guard for border patrol until the P*ssies in Chief of the House and Senate quit fugging around. Pretty sure he can do that, 9th Circuit be damned. While your support is appreciated, and with ALL due respect for the National Guard ....... don't think you have a clue about what a debacle NG deployment here (again) would almost immediately turn into. Thanks, but an emphatic NO THANKS. GTC
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Not to worry, I don't think it would ever get anywhere near the deployment stage.
Ryan and McConnell just need a boot up their azzes. Better from Trump than in the 2018 midterms.
What fresh Hell is this?
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