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"enjoy whatever rifle and cartridge you have"
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40 sw. What a waste. Not powerful enough for big stuff and too powerful for small stuff all at the same time. Snappy recoil and expensive ammo. Just yuck.
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Even load manuals keep data at or below SAAMI mandated pressures. I know the reasons for the 7x57 but the .280 and Whelen? ...
IIRC, Hornady manual 3rd edition 1980, has 7x57 (custom mauser 22") 2900mv for 154gn and 2800mv for 160s. I wouldn't call that tame!
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+1 Just be a man and get a 30-06!
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I've never been a fan of Weatherby calibers nor have I any desire for a 7MM Rem Mag. Part of this, I'm sure, is that I'm moving back down the caliber ladder to smaller, more fun to shoot calibers.
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1. Never tell everything that you know.
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+1 Just be a man and get a 30-06! -1 A cartridge doesn't make one "manly" or "unmanly".
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All guns are fun to shoot.. Some are just easier to shoot more often...
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A cartridge doesn't make one "manly" or "unmanly".
To some people cartridge size and how much alcohol they can guzzle means a lot to their alpha-male self esteem...
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
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+1 Just be a man and get a 30-06! Yes sir. Personally the 308 casing just doesn't have enough capacity to push the heavier 30 cal bullets like it should. To each his own. Rather get the 7-08
Last edited by Dre; 05/17/17.
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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Even load manuals keep data at or below SAAMI mandated pressures. I know the reasons for the 7x57 but the .280 and Whelen? ...
IIRC, Hornady manual 3rd edition 1980, has 7x57 (custom mauser 22") 2900mv for 154gn and 2800mv for 160s. I wouldn't call that tame! The problem with that is.....nobody gives a flying f*ck what you think or say.
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FG, your life sounds full of problems, most of them self made I suspect.
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Any .25 caliber (Jerk-Off Specials)
Speaking of Jerk-Offs, I bet you're partial to the 243 and or the 30-06!
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I don't like people who can't discern the difference between calibers & cartridges. Point taken. My mistake. But holy crap! I was just a'trolling you guys! I have been educated! Likes and dislikes are personal and legitimate. I was expecting maybe 15-20 replys, mostly derogatory (some of you did not disappoint!). Nessmuk wins!
Last edited by las; 05/17/17.
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Shot a 338 win mag years ago. That sum bltch snap kicked so freaking hard that after 3 shots I would have a recoil headache. Prolly just poor stock fit but that turned me off on the 338 Exactly what happened to me with the 7mm Mag. It ain't logical, but....prejudice is personal!
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+1 Just be a man and get a 30-06! Yes sir. Personally the 308 casing just doesn't have enough capacity to push the heavier 30 cal bullets like it should. To each his own. Rather get the 7-08 You would really be lost with a .300 Savage. And I'm not sure you'd know where to begin with a .30-30.
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Damn, I read this as "Calipers you just don't like.", and it made me think of the pair that I dropped. Back to the subject, it is 25-06 and 270 for me. Nothing wrong with either, but the ones that like them seem to have a lot of braggarts and bullshitters among them. Speaking of the locals as I don't keep up with the ones on here. miles
Look out for number 1, don't step in number 2.
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Conceptually speaking I've never figured out how to dislike a caliber.
There are a pile of cartridges and guns I have no use for, but even the scrap pile has some gold now and then. Fiddled with an old Savage 24 for a few years, mostly tuning my adventure in casting. .30-30 over 3" 20 ga. Heavy awkward piece with '60s vintage finish and a mediocre fit across the board. AT 20 yards the pattern for #3 buck was awesome. On the 50 yard line, last time I shot it and using the factory leaf sights, 5 shots in 3/4" with a 180 grain lead bullet at 2150 fps. It wasn't the best it did, nor the worse.
I am not an ardent supporter of plastic or stainless, but own a couple for rainy days and other affairs. It makes for a good package to ride in the scabbard behind the seat in the p'up. I eschew the "latest and greatest" if for no other reason than reinventing the wheel is a questionable marketing strategy and I have no extra space available in my wee safe.. Some idle consideration of late led me to realize I have no arms loading SAAMI spec MAP above the 50 KPSI threshold. Guess that leaves me in the same philosophical boat as Doc Howell.
Auto-jammers for the most part, but it is more of a style and needs perspective. Most these days are kind of queer in appearance and it has been a long while since I needed a quick repeat shot. All the way back to around '72 IIRC. Had an experience in Miami years ago that was inspirational. Late night drive into work on a lonesome interstate for the mid-shift. A rat-rod full of fine Hispanic gents attempted to force me off the road, presumably for no good purpose. Pulled my forever reliable auto pistol and racked the slide as we slowed...it stovepiped...and I stuck it in their faces anyway. A bluff well played, I was not late for work. Sold the piece the next day and purchased a Smith snubby that has yet to fail me. It got pulled 3-4 times in the same town over the years and favorably resolved the conflicts at hand w/o bloodshed.
That said, my father's old Browning .22 Auto was a jewel and shot like a champ. Mint condition production from the early '60s with the box. Someone made an offer I could not refuse.
I like revolvers and the basic 1911 as issued by Uncle Sam. Hell will freeze before I touch a Glock.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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+1 Just be a man and get a 30-06! Yes sir. Personally the 308 casing just doesn't have enough capacity to push the heavier 30 cal bullets like it should. To each his own. Rather get the 7-08 There is nothing inherently wrong with heavy bullets at moderate speeds. In fact, there are very good reasons for choosing such loads and the .308 can handle them well - and more efficiently than a .30-06. Factory 200g ammo (Federal and Lapua, for example, ) push 200g bullets to about 2450fps. Hodgdon lists loads for the .308 Win that go as high as 2582fps with 45g powder, with 2577fps using 57g powder the fastest 200g load listed for a .30-06. As a point of fact, most .30-06 shooters will never use a 200 or 220g bullet in their lifetime. As you drop down in weight the .30-06 has an advantage in velocity but again velocity isn't everything and higher velocity comes with higher recoil, other factors being constant. In 35 years of hunting I don't think I've ever taken an animal where a .308 would have come up inadequate. There is also the matter of platform and the .308 Win works better for some than does the .30-06. My 16.5" barreled Ruger Scout is a .308 Win. A .30-06 in that rifle would be less desirable. Same with my AR10. I'll grant that at identical pressures the .30-06 has a speed advantage with all bullet weights, but if velocity is the goal, "be a man" and step up the the .300 RUM or some other super magnum.
Last edited by Coyote_Hunter; 05/18/17. Reason: spelnig
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No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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