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This is just strange. Any theories? Left party in rain storm in the early morning. Declined offers for a ride and chose to walk in storm and took a broken path through the woods and swap. Found dead 7 days later with no immediate evidence of foul play. Shoes and cloths found scattered in an illogical pattern. http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/micha...death-body-missing-duke-college-student/![[Linked Image]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/csmith6635/DATlm8kUIAAiuGn_zpsurcleh5v.jpg)
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This is just strange. Any theories? How cold was it?
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The night and next day that we was gone had highs in the 40's. It was raining when he left.
If he was drunk or high on something or an idiot and decided to wander around in the woods, he could have easily succumbed to exposure
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ecstasy or some other "rave" drug
.... like tears in the rain
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I'll also add, that once hypothermia starts kicking in, which wouldn't take long in 40 degree weather with rain, you will become seriously disorientated
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44 was low that night, high of 60 the following day. I originally looked at the wrong temp history which showed 55. Hypothermia probably.
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K2 drugs?? Ecstasy?? DNC staffer???
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Hypothermia can cause many odd reactions in people. Add in intoxication and/or drugs and the odds of abnormal behavior increase. Being wet only speeds up the process as well as enhancing the effects of the cold. I have recovered persons who succumbed to the cold who were in various stages of undress ranging from removal of jacket to nearly nude due to the affect of cold on the thought process.
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Cause of death: Stupidity.
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Somebody killed him?
No gun. No pepper spray. No bloodhounds? Wtf.
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Hypothermia can cause many odd reactions in people. Add in intoxication and/or drugs and the odds of abnormal behavior increase. Being wet only speeds up the process as well as enhancing the effects of the cold. I have recovered persons who succumbed to the cold who were in various stages of undress ranging from removal of jacket to nearly nude due to the affect of cold on the thought process. It's physiological. In early stages of hypothermia your body restricts blood flow to the extremities to keep your core warm and organs functioning. At a certain point, your body loses ability to control blood flow and the blood is released to the extremities, making the person feel hot and flushed. That's when they start to shed clothes.
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With this limited information, sounds like classic hypothermia.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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People have died from hypothermia in temps higher than 50, especially if the wind is blowing. Here in arid country, rain water can be considerably colder than it is in humid areas. Getting caught in the rain here isn't a warm shower like it can be in wetter places.
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During the early stages of hypothermia, the body pulls blood from the extremities to the body core. This can make the victim feel hot and shed clothing while they are dying from being too cold, hence the scattered clothing.
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Sad. Got lost, turned around, etc and died of exposure. It can happen easy. Been there myself and I am no rooky to the outdoors.
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had a woman die of exposure less than a 1/2 mile from my house in the suburbs back in March. She was drunk.
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Hypothermia can cause many odd reactions in people. Add in intoxication and/or drugs and the odds of abnormal behavior increase. Being wet only speeds up the process as well as enhancing the effects of the cold. I have recovered persons who succumbed to the cold who were in various stages of undress ranging from removal of jacket to nearly nude due to the affect of cold on the thought process. It's physiological. In early stages of hypothermia your body restricts blood flow to the extremities to keep your core warm and organs functioning. At a certain point, your body loses ability to control blood flow and the blood is released to the extremities, making the person feel hot and flushed. That's when they start to shed clothes. SAR guys say when they start finding clothes, it's a really bad sign and they know it will be a recovery. Lots of folks who die of hypothermia will be found naked due to the effect you mentioned above.
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With this limited information, sounds like classic hypothermia. Agreed, with only this to go on, textbook hypothermia.
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