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Lotsa people in this country today hate apple pie and baseball along with everything else traditionally American. Sad.

I agree with that



Because he was fake, no moral character, few scruples...

I have heros in my life, men who fought for our freedom, a father who's life revolved around his children and wife, Chuck Yeager, Neil Armstrong, Teddy Roosevelt....but JW isn't one of them.

Commie.

Hey, but he did refuse Marlena Dietrich's advances back in the day. And back then nobody refused Marlena. She really ran him down in her autobiography for refusing her.
He thought she was a tramp, which she was.

He has 2 grandkids who are in the ministry today. And I never ever heard one bad word about him from his progeny; something that had been in vogue for disgruntled children of the stars, seeking the money train.

Never met Wayne but one of our family stories has my grandfather finding him hunting on his place in the mountains in Southern Ca without permission, no good markers or fences there still. Wayne apologized and asked and received permission from my grandfather but he told the story of almost tossing his butt out a few times - it was earlier in his acting career or old Pop would have guided him I'm sure.

The Duke looks and thanks to a bad knee moves a lot like my father so I can't help but like him - particularly sitting on a horse as an older beat up heavy rider I see my Dad who was always happiest on a horse.

He had the ideas and faults common to his generation but I'm not ready to cast the first stone. He thought we were better off working together as Americans and that our country was a force for good in the world and a place of tremendous opportunity, I certainly agree with him there.

I've never met him, but he is a relative on my wife's side of the family. I grew up with his movies, and know some of the trivia about the man. I like him.

You must have known Wayne quite well, to have made your disparaging judgement of him, huh?

Or is your assessment based on Hollywood rumors, innuendo, petty jealousies, and outright hatred by many people in "the Business," who despised John Wayne because he was not a good little march-in-lock-step Marxist along with most other Hollywoodites?

Bwana 1, unless you were in "the Business" for years, let me tell you a bit about Hollywood.

Hollywood is a very small town, so to speak, just like any tiny town in America. Everyone in "the Business" kinda knows everyone else and what they are doing. One of the great blood sports there is to indulge in rumors based on rumors based on half rumors, based on outright lies, and gossip, gossip, gossip. There is profound competition because of many reasons and back stabbing and shaded and outright insults are the norm.

I do not know your source for your accusations about Wayne, but unless you post attribution for your verifiable sources, I must doubt what you post. I never heard that Wayne either hit or abused his wives, nor "neglected" his children. Wayne made movies all over the world so was away from home a lot. That does not lend itself to "child neglect."

Wayne was hated by most of the members of "the Business" because he was an outspoken conservative who actually believed in the U.S. Constitution and the U.S. In Hollywood, that is an unforgivable sin. The reason Wayne continued to work was because he made so much money over many years for the studios. (After all, in Hollywood, "Money talks and b.s. walks." Same with Eastwood and Selleck.)

Therefore, there was constant character assassination of Wayne with constant rumors piled upon rumors upon lies about him.

That's the way it was and is in Hollywood.

And by the way, I've been in "the Business" for many, many years, above the line, if you know what that means.

For your information.

L.W.

These three highlighted statements are absolute bullshit.

Wayne applied to the U.S. Naval Academy, but he was not accepted.

Wayne was exempted from service 3-A because of his age and family status.When he was reclassified to 1-A he was threatened with a law suit from the studios if he broke his contract.He was never drafted.He did tour the South pacific with the USO.

"U.S. National Archives records indicate that Wayne had, in fact, made an application to serve in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), that day's equivalent of the CIA, and had been accepted within the U.S. Army's allotted billet to the OSS. William J. Donovan, OSS Commander, wrote Wayne a letter informing him of his acceptance into the Field Photographic Unit, but the letter went to his estranged wife Josephine's home. She never told him about it. Donovan also issued an OSS Certificate of Service to Wayne."

There is not a scintilla of factual information that Wayne ever struck any of his wives.

When he traveled to Ireland to film "The Quiet Man" he brought all four of his children.That certainly isn't the benchmark of a terrible or absent father.

Your post reads like a whiny little bitch who was rejected by your boyfriend.You've been here about 4 months and have created over 900 posts.It appears that you have no life and lying about an American film icon gives you some kind of perverse pleasure.

I like the whiny little bitch label. When you come from where Bwana hails from you don't need to site sources. Just say it's an anonymous sources and you're good to go.

Great post! Hollywood then as now , always rocked of scandals, many which turned out to be blatantly false. But that's what sold headlines, gossip mags, and movies.
And it was obvious that John Wayne was subjected to numerous attempts at character assassination. Even his second wife was caught in a lie, when she claimed he hit her. A close friend of the family disputed her claim immediately, as John Wayne was currently many miles away, on location in Utah, making a movie, likely the one that exposed him and cast members to large amts of radiation fallout. That wife apparently had jealousy issues about the beautiful leading ladies, who were cast opposite her husband. Even the so called long affair with Marlene Dietrich was eventually disputed by non other than Dietrich herself, in a much later written autobiography. But yes, they were friends over the years. Bwana1, stop reading those British Tabloids. You once again made yourself look pretty stupid.

The only person reading rags here is you.

"Pretty stupid". Yep, that would describe Bwana1. Go find your rock azzhat.

Just repeat what the last twit said, that always makes sense Tommy.

No, I've read many, many biographies and autobiographies on many people, sometimes multiple biographies on the same person over the years.

Big books with lots of words and many pages.........................something you would not understand, with your short little span of attention, and limited, trailer trash command of English.

Oh, waaaaaa, waaaaa! Geez, why don't you just go read some of Gerbil Boy in N.K.? I'm sure you'd love some of his blabbering. Much like yours. Night!!

Neither has Bwana yet he's an expert on the man.

I'm a John Wayne fan (except those awful 10 gallon hat / singing cowboy movies he made in the beginning of his career).

But, I don't consider him a "Hero".

With that said, to call him a draft dodger is ridiculous.
At the start of WW-2 he was in his mid-30s and had 4 children.
He didn't need to dodge the draft because he wasn't going to be drafted to fight anyway.

Besides, his medical history was shabby.
He lost his football scholarship because of an injury.
problems with shoulder and back.

There are some stars that were true WW2 heroes.
There are others, I am sure, that were cowards.
John Wayne, imo, was neither.

I think John Wayne was a patriot, for sure.... but I wouldn't call him a hero.

John Wayne & Ted Nugent are heroes...only on the Fire


Pathetic

i have read some crap on the fire but B1 yours is the worst.
i Knew Duke and everything you wrote is crap. are you the same azzhat that hates Peter Hathaway Capstick?
i suppose you think HRC is the epitome of virtue?
instant ignore .

It was WW2 ffs.

If he wanted to serve he could have...