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I saw a map purportedly showing the merchant's track, can't find it now. They were all over the ocean; a starboard turn off their track, then a gradual looping around to port, then (apparently right before the collision) hard starboard back to near their original track. Collision was reportedly ten miles off the coast, that's pretty close to land, if it was crowded the options for maneuver could have been severely limited.
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Would be interesting to also hear radio traffic,that track sounds like a Williamson Turn.
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That's an interesting observation. There's been no mention of a MOB from the merchant ship.
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Would be interesting to also hear radio traffic,that track sounds like a Williamson Turn. Gosh, "Williamson Turn".... ya learn something new every day and the 'Fire is STILL a corncupia of useful info, about almost anything : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_overboard_rescue_turn
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Would be interesting to also hear radio traffic,that track sounds like a Williamson Turn. I wasn't really looking at the scale to see the distances involved but that's kinda what I described now that you mention it. I think the top of the loop was kinda square but then this was a 730 foot ship with modern electronics so they probably don't have to rely on reversing the rudder at the exact right moment.
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There are reports that the merchant ship was on autopilot and that the big turn was to go back and see what it had hit. There was apparently an hour between the collision and the first reports.
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Auto-anything ten miles from land sounds like a bad idea but I have no idea how they really operate.
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Well, Navy wheels are saying were lucky this doesnt happen a lot more often.
Retired navy officer who served on that destroyer called in to Savage radio. Said their report was BS. Aegis and 7 other radar systems should have been going crazy. He said there is no way a merchant ship can hit a destroyer unless the destroyer put itself in a position to do so as if on purpose. One system picks up and monitors every ship within 64 miles.
Then, a retired electronics contractor called in and said he had helped install his cos radars, sonars etc in that boat. He said every system has a backup and every back up has backups.
He also installed the radar sonar etc on the USS Stark that was hit by Iraqi missiles. The protections were supposed to be on automatic since they were in hostile waters. The CO had the systems manually maned instead an sailors ignored warnings.
Both guys say there is no way in hell either ship should have even been remotely in danger with their electronics and no way that big thing could get to it if it wanted to.
As Savage says, if the can defend against that, how can be protected from missiles or speed boats with explosives?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_(FFG-31)
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So....multiple sources claim the Fitzgerald was vitally wounded, yet waited for an hour to get on the radio and squawk for help.
Color me extremely skeptical!
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last thing I read was commo room flooded, so only call out was sat phone.
off by one hour somehow with freighter report
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I also read, one of the deceased sailors got 20 of his shipmates out of one of the berths, before he died.
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From Youtube here is a video reportedly showing the container ship's movements: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1b58yelh_c
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