Home Forums Hunting & Shooting General Big Game "The 30-06 is obsolete!"

Within SAAMI pressure for both, .30-06 will generally exceed .308 by betwen 50-150 ft/s depending on the exact length of the bullet (stubby hunting bullets tend to be on the low end, bullets with boat tails, tips, voids, secant ogives etc. tend to be on the high end). The difference also depends a little bit on how willing you are to use a highly compressed load that might require a drop tube.

For both .308 and .30-06 you'll see performance above what's generally commercially available and .308 hand load performance with top powders will generally meet or exceed .30-06 commercial performance and .30-06 hand loads with older powders. In other words, the difference between powders like RL-17/26/33, ReloadSwiss 60 (Europe only, sadly) etc and the old IMR powders is bigger than the difference between the .308 and .30-06 cases.

You don't say......? What a revelation.

Before you get too excited, remember that the loads almost everyone hunts with in .30-06, even the "hot" ones out of reloading manuals, don't exceed .308 performance at all or only by a exceedingly limited amount < 50 ft/s. If you think those loads in .30-06 are good, then you have to like the .308 even more since it does exactly the same thing with less recoil in the same weight gun (or lighter gun, same recoil). The only .30-06 loads that exceed .308 performance use a very limited number of powders - RL16/17, RL25/26, and a couple of European ones. And very little manufacturer data is available for those powders, so the only way you'll actually see ANY advantage out of the .30-06 without just randomly making loads up is to use Quick Load, which seems to chap your hide to no end

Brilliant Ain't he?

Jerry

So Llama_Bob, the only thing that pressure is rated on is the load itself? What about, how does distance from the lands figure in to this pressure thing.Please inlighten us.

Hate to put a damper on your seminar, but I don't give a crap. I'd rather kill stuff with my 7-08 anyway.

WOW. after all that name calling.

Sure took him a long time to admit what we all already knew, didn't it?

Who needs handloads? About 95% of shooters and hunters use factory ammo. Please show us factory .308 Win loads that are comparable to these:

Federal P3006TT4, 180g Trophy Bonded Tip .30-06 = 2880fps/3315fpe, 300 yards = 2346fps/2199fpe

Winchester S3006LR 190g EBG-LR 30-06 = 2750fps, 300 yards is listed at 2339fps/2309fpe


The best .308 Win 180g factory loads I've found fall about 200 yards short in performance.

I love how all the clowns are now excited because you can get a trivial advantage even though none of you have ever actually gotten that advantage because you don't own or use the tools that would let you get it. Big deal, that. If you actually look at what I posted, you'll see I always acknowledged there was a tiny difference, with the emphasis on VANISHINGLY TINY.

But I know what you really want to have is a circle jerk, and I'm messing that up with facts

Anyone who's looking for performance out of a rifle.

30-06 Obsolete? Whatever, the 30-06 still works for me. Even used obsolete 180gr Hornady Interlocks and H4350.

Wow, nice bull centershot. Great pic.

Also, Federal P3006TT4 shows as discontinued at Midway. Got any idea why? I'm thinking it might have been overpressure in a minimum-spec SAAMI chamber.

If so this would be a follow on to P3006TT3 being discontinued for pressure issues.

If the queen had balls she'd be the king........

My guess on the discontinuing deal is it was a slow seller, as is the usual reason. You need to quit simulating, estimating, and guessing. It makes a man with your vast knowledge look rather foolish.

But coyote's convinced hunters are shooting this ammo. Can't have it both ways.

In either case, it's gone. So now coyote is without his pet example, and still can't figure out how to beat .308 performance

200 yard difference???? I mean these two rounds are within 150 fps of each other.

A 200 yard advantage is hardly "VANISHINGLY TINY" - except in your fantasies where you deny reality.

Post a factory .308 Win load that matches the .30-06 loads I listed.

I still fail to see a 200 yard advantage. You're talking about a cartridge that's very much in service and that the Army uses to 800 meters and the Marine Corp uses to 900 meters.

And at what range does this 200 yard advantage rear it's head? Is the .30-06 doing at 400 yards what the .308 is doing at 200? Hardly.