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I have an Ankara Turkish 98 in 6.5x55 Swede. Don't know much about it. It has one of those barrels that I believe Kimber of OREGON not NY put out many years ago. Haven't shot it yet. Seems nice. Is it a LR or SR 98? I do t know.

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Think it is a Large Ring mauser.


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Terry, You have the best.

Nah, just a small collection. I just wish I had more time to use them!



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Originally Posted by Northman

My ZG-47 are made in 57..so not wartime..., but obviously not polished up to the Oberndorf standards.


Post war ZG47 production involved using late wartime shortcut production tooling.
So you will see ZG47s that display WW2 cost and time saving production methods
The lower std. of surface finish is a seperate matter again.

ZG47s production was a bit of a bastard mix, as some dont show the late wartime production
shortcuts like other ZG47s do.

IIRC, the ZG47 at some point also used surplus war production components.

Originally Posted by Northman

If you look at the M21/M22 produced at the same time, you can see that BRNO obviously had that capability.


If you look at examples of the Brno M22, they will have no integral built guide rib or corresponding slot machined
into the rear bridge. nor any vertical charge slot on the rear bridge hump (but some do) That is because they were
in part put together by Brno with time-cost cutting late war production surplus bolts and receivers.

M22 receiver and bolt is basically the wartime unfinished G33/40 and VZ33
( i.e.: minus the weight reducing cuts, bolt guide rib and rear charge slot)

Like the ZG47, M22 production actions can be a bastard mix of earlier proper orig. design production methods
and the time-cost cutting late war shortcut methods of production.



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I like the three g.33/40 mausers that I have.

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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by Northman

My ZG-47 are made in 57..so not wartime..., but obviously not polished up to the Oberndorf standards.


Post war ZG47 production involved using late wartime shortcut production tooling.
So you will see ZG47s that display WW2 cost and time saving production methods
The lower std. of surface finish is a seperate matter again.

ZG47s production was a bit of a bastard mix, as some dont show the late wartime production
shortcuts like other ZG47s do.

IIRC, the ZG47 at some point also used surplus war production components.

Originally Posted by Northman

If you look at the M21/M22 produced at the same time, you can see that BRNO obviously had that capability.


If you look at examples of the Brno M22, they will have no integral built guide rib or corresponding slot machined
into the rear bridge. nor any vertical charge slot on the rear bridge hump (but some do) That is because they were
in part put together by Brno with time-cost cutting late war production surplus bolts and receivers.

M22 receiver and bolt is basically the wartime unfinished G33/40 and VZ33
( i.e.: minus the weight reducing cuts, bolt guide rib and rear charge slot)

Like the ZG47, M22 production actions can be a bastard mix of earlier proper orig. design production methods
and the time-cost cutting late war shortcut methods of production.


And still one of the nicest Mauser actions money can buy today.



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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by Northman

My ZG-47 are made in 57..so not wartime..., but obviously not polished up to the Oberndorf standards.


Post war ZG47 production involved using late wartime shortcut production tooling.
So you will see ZG47s that display WW2 cost and time saving production methods
The lower std. of surface finish is a seperate matter again.

ZG47s production was a bit of a bastard mix, as some dont show the late wartime production
shortcuts like other ZG47s do.


IIRC, the ZG47 at some point also used surplus war production components.

Originally Posted by Northman

If you look at the M21/M22 produced at the same time, you can see that BRNO obviously had that capability.


If you look at examples of the Brno M22, they will have no integral built guide rib or corresponding slot machined
into the rear bridge. nor any vertical charge slot on the rear bridge hump (but some do) That is because they were
in part put together by Brno with time-cost cutting late war production surplus bolts and receivers.

M22 receiver and bolt is basically the wartime unfinished G33/40 and VZ33
( i.e.: minus the weight reducing cuts, bolt guide rib and rear charge slot)

Like the ZG47, M22 production actions can be a bastard mix of earlier proper orig. design production methods
and the time-cost cutting late war shortcut methods of production.




How about you shew us a single ZG47 with 'wartime' shortcuts...and don't bother posting a picture of the bottom metal as all ZG47s have the same magazine box.

And as for the finish, there are a few with polished receivers but most have the same finish as the Brno model 2.

To put it nicely...you are a [bleep].


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And as for the model 21/22 there are a few (very few) early postwar rifles that do not have the guide rib on the bolt, everything from 1949 to 1956 has dove-tails.

And you are still a [bleep].


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And still one of the nicest Mauser actions money can buy today..


Someone with the money you can have something much nicer.
and you are no stranger to spending wads of money at times.

Originally Posted by JSTUART

How about you shew us a single ZG47 with 'wartime' shortcuts....


You call me a fckwit but then want me to educate you with pictures?
I didn't spend decades researching-educating myself on various mausers just to spoon lazy feed belligerent pommie fools.


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As I thought, full of bullshit and arrogance.


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Your ZG47 ignorance aside, you started with the wrong aggressive approach....then call me arrogant..LOL

I have discussed this subject before with highly mauser experienced folk like Tom Burgess,
so in effect you are calling BS on the depth of knowledge of the late Tom Burgess.

you are a special kind of stupid and evidently you take pride in being so, but thats fine with me, carry on.







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Originally Posted by Starman
Your ZG47 ignorance aside, you started with the wrong aggressive approach....then call me arrogant..LOL

I have discussed this subject before with highly mauser experienced folk like Tom Burgess,
so in effect you are calling BS on the depth of knowledge of the late Tom Burgess.

you are a special kind of stupid and evidently you take pride in being so, but thats fine with me, carry on.







Yes yes, you are a name dropping twat of the nth order.

Now shew us these 'wartime' shortcuts on the ZG47.


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I suppose I am both bias and sentimental, but the VZ-24. Not for technical reasons but it was gifted to me by my Dad when I was 12 For an early Christmas gift. It was my brothers as he wanted something else to play with (guitar IIRC) so dad knew I enjoyed shoothing it (it was a sporterized 30-06 Mauser deal with a Bushnell Banner 3-9 scope on it). Really, really too much rifle for a small person, but, as they say, just sucked it up.

Also received a Lyman spartan press and all the other fixins needed to make proper ammo. He showed me 1 time only how to look up how to make a proper cartridge. Been a reloader ever since. Like the dumb bunny, I traded it for a Rem 870 in high school, back when carrying a scoped high powered rifle barely was noticed going to metal shop. After 20+ years of kicking my self, mostly for sentimental reasons, I tracked down the High School friend and he happing sold it back to me for less than $100. That didn't sit well so I sent him more than $200 and still have it. It will never be sold and I hope to tag another deer or 2 before retiring it. Funny how as one grows older they contemplate whom to leave "heritage" items to when my time is gone. Hope I find someone that might listen to my stories with that rifle. It still has a piece of just the right diameter copper wire in the trigger assembly group , installed just so, to take up the slack of the trigger that rifle. The product of a young budding lifelong mechanical student ... For a 12 year old to get that for Christmas really reinforced that from an early age I was and am still a mechanical geek...

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Are these quality actions?

1932s BRNO small ring mausers.

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Many years ago, I bought an Argentine 1909 Calvary Carbine. Made by DWM, all matching numbers, and one of the smoothest actions I've ever seen. I fully intended on building me a "special" rifle with it, but every time I'd pick it up and handle it, I'd think about how I hated to tear it apart just for the action. After keeping it for about 25 years, I sold it to a collector, and bought a factory rifle.....something I'm still kicking myself over. I also remember all those 1960ish advertisements in the American Rifleman with all those Mausers for sale for $19.95 or so.

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Originally Posted by JSTUART
Originally Posted by Starman
Your ZG47 ignorance aside, you started with the wrong aggressive approach....then call me arrogant..LOL

I have discussed this subject before with highly mauser experienced folk like Tom Burgess,
so in effect you are calling BS on the depth of knowledge of the late Tom Burgess.

you are a special kind of stupid and evidently you take pride in being so, but thats fine with me, carry on.







Yes yes, you are a name dropping twat of the nth order.

Now shew us these 'wartime' shortcuts on the ZG47.

JSTUART,you won't get the pics or anything else,starman is just a troll.

But,I think you knew that already.


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Originally Posted by elkhunternm

JSTUART,you won't get the pics or anything else,starman is just a troll.

But,I think you knew that already.



Yes, I think I have worked the lying grandstanding bastard out.


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Originally Posted by Starman
Your ZG47 ignorance aside, you started with the wrong aggressive approach....then call me arrogant..LOL

I have discussed this subject before with highly mauser experienced folk like Tom Burgess,
so in effect you are calling BS on the depth of knowledge of the late Tom Burgess.

you are a special kind of stupid and evidently you take pride in being so, but thats fine with me, carry on.






I know Tom Burgess was a huge fan of the ZG -47 and 21/22. You try too hard.



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I imagine any factory at any time,can produce a turd or two...

Personally, get utility out of the thumb slot for loading and am partial to them. Prefer small ring to large ring for the small weight saving and slightly more svelte look. Not to say I'd toss a well-running VZ24, Mod 98, Husky or FN to get one.

Mostly along with a good action, a good mauser smith to make it run like a million bucks...if it loads effortlessly and shoots well, it has a home...


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Originally Posted by JSTUART
Originally Posted by elkhunternm

JSTUART,you won't get the pics or anything else,starman is just a troll.

But,I think you knew that already.



Yes, I think I have worked the lying grandstanding bastard out.


Is it just me or is Starman sounding a lot like Larry Root to others too?

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