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How do you propose we halt this climate change?

If you exclude everything that we have little to no say over:
Volcanoes
Forest fires
Solar Fluctuations


Its reduction of CO2 and Metan. Or, moving to Clean Electricity and reduction of meat consumption.

Production of electricity needs to move to Solar, Wind, Battery storage, Nuclear (hopefully Thorium plants will be up and running soon)
Less meat production
More electric cars
Use trains to move goods instead of Trucks
Include sails to container ships
More local production of goods



You could do 2 things to speed it up.
1. Remove Subsidies for Oil, Coal and Gas
OR
2. Give equal amount of subsidies to Solar, Wind, Battery storage, Nuclear


(And yes, the Oil, Coal and Gas sectors get ENOURMOUS amounts of subsidies each year.)

We need one global government for it to mean anything, don't you think?

There are no subsidies for oil and gas. There are write offs for financial losses and loss of equipment value over time as with any business. Its called depreciation in business 101. Jerkoffs call it subsidies in the oil business.


Strangely, as is the norm with any disingenuous pos lib, you dont mention not financing the population explosion of welfare dimocraps.

Northman, with your high and mighty soap box reaching higher than the Tower of Babel, can you not see the height of your hypocrisy that we mere mortals down here below observe?

Here are subsidies, right into the pockets of Obongo and his financiers . . .

Obama clean energy loans leave taxpayers in $2.2 billion hole

A fossil fuel subsidy is
Any government action that lowers the cost of fossil fuel energy production
Raises the price received by energy producers
Lowers the price paid by energy consumers.

Essentially, it’s anything that rigs the game in favor of fossil fuels compared to other energy sources.

Then you add the externalities that are not paid. Which effectively is a subsidy.

Then you have the use of US forces in oil rich nations.. that "lowers the price of fossile fuels".. even though its paid by taxpayers paying for military, its a subsidy.

I'm trying to bring back littering.

Feels so good to fling an empty right out the window.




Dave

Oil = good....Wood = bad......per the EPA:

https://www.epa.gov/ak/fairbanks-air-quality-plan

Or, you could just take your chances with "global warming" at -40º

Although painted as the bogeyman by the media CO2 is just a small component of what drives climate change, and America is not even the largest emitter of CO2. That honor goes to China. Do you think they will follow the same path in crippling their economy by saddling their industrial and agricultural producers with inefficient and costly alternate energy sources? National economic suicide on the part of America for a minor reduction in global CO2 emission is what you are proposing.

You need to look at the big picture, not just what is at the end of your own nose. The earth's climate has changed drastically and violently countless times with no help at all from man. It will continue to do so long after man is gone. The rate of climate change we are experiencing today is in no way extraordinary or unprecedented despite what the alarmists would have you believe. You need go no further back than about 12,000 years ago to see what extreme climate change looks like. The earth very rapidly warmed and very rapidly cooled again in matter of decades, not centuries or millennia. No help from man.

The earth has been warming since the end of the Little Ice Age about the mid-1800s. The Little Ice Age was the coldest period since the end of the last glacial maximum about 11K years ago. You are basing what you think should be the "normal" amount of alpine and polar glaciation on the coldest period since the last true ice age. The recession of alpine and polar glaciation in the last 150 years is entirely predictable even without human influence. They will continue to recede until we have another interglacial down blip like the Little Ice Age or similar or until we enter the next glacial epoch. I can assure you that farmers and consumers of farm products from the Little Ice Age would take today over their time given the choice.

To say that extreme weather events are becoming more common and more violent than in the past is simply the vanity of viewing events from your own lifetime and thinking that they are remarkable. There have been periods of worse drought, worse hurricane activity, worse desertification, worse flooding even in recorded history. They just weren't covered in real time and broadcast worldwide on TV or the internet. Therefore, they did not happen in the eyes of the short sighted alarmists of today.

I will give you a homework assignment. Dig deep into whether temperature increase follows CO2 increase or whether CO2 increase follows temperature increase and by how many centuries.

China has 1.35 Billion today. 1 Billion in 2100
India has 1.33 Billion today. 1.6 Billion in 2100
Africa is 1 Billion today. 3 Billion in 2100.
USA is 330 million today. 450 million in 2100

First of, they all want the same level as consumption as the US. Do you think thats possible?

What about consuming half, pr person as the US does?
Or, 1/4 per person... Just China and India would consume as much as the US does today.

You really want them to pollute as much as the US has done the last 100 years?

They know this is not possible, and are investing in Solar, Wind, Geo, Nuclear.. they absolutely have to.
Its in they peoples best interest! And ours.

You could say its "their problem".. well the climate is global. What happens there, will effect us, here.


Climate change happens, all the time. And when it happens during our short human history, that means famines, migrations and wars. Always has!

We are seeing a huge population boom, from 2.5 Billion in 1900 to 11-12 Billion in 2100. That 400+% increase in a very short time. Even for us humans.
At the same time, we are burning and producing as much carbon based energy as we can, to keep ourself comfortable.


Look, when this happens, I have no problem "protecting myself or my family".. but it will likely be your grandchildren who grow up as a minority, because half of Africa needs to emigrate.

And the US, has a lot of "wasted space", compared to Asia and Europe.

Apparently you did not read any of my last post. Carbon/CO2 is a very small piece of the puzzle when it comes to climate change. Unfortunately it is the only factor taken into account by the UNFCCC. Considering that it is the only piece that can be taxed should tell you all you need to know.

If you are talking about clean air and water initiatives then that is another matter entirely. I am all for clean air and water, but don't confuse cleaning up the air and water with halting climate change.

Some great posts, Big Bore .

But you seem to have no problem with tax dollars subsidising the alternative energy producers...I can tell you that those blood-sucking mongrel windfarms are not popular with the taxpayers here, and we are very pissy that Asian countries get to purchase LNG cheaper than we can here...a fraction of what we pay for our own product.

Global economy my arse.

Yes. I have a hard time accepting that a gas making up about 4% of our atmosphere can be responsible for the claimed effects. I wonder what our atmospheric composition was when Mother Nature was laying in our oil and coal supplies?

What part of Antarctica do you live in?

We don't set out stuff like tomatoes until Memorial day. We usually have a cold snap about then. We've been known to have frost that late.

Same here on the front range of Colo. Snows more here on average in March and April then any other month, and set your watch on it, going to be one last frost right about Memorial day, happens every year.

I sent it snow in June here in Colorado.