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Have taken 3 elk between 200 and 450 yds and a 3x4 mulie @ 500 yds, all with the 127 LRX @ 2800 fps. All one shot kills.

What about POI?

Do you sight for the 147 ELD for LR shots, any difference with the other bullets, less critical with closer shots?

Just asking.

DF

Yessir, that's exactly it. Most of my TTSX loads hit higher at 100m than my LR loads. Even if the POI was 1 MOA off in windage, it's not enough to make me worry about a 300-350 yard shot. I almost never see POI discrepancies that are very large, but if I did, I'd either figure out a different load combination, or get rid of the rifle/barrel.

i shot a very large new mexico cow elk at 300 yds through and through the shoulders with the 120 ttsx out of my 6.5 swede in 2010. She ran about 50 yard and gave up the ghost. my wife killed a 1.5 yo cow elk at a little over 100 yards a couple years ago with 130 accubond out of the 6.5 creed. bullet do not exit, but we had a very dead elk 20 yards away.

the 120 ttsx is ideal in the creedmoor

I like fast TTSX bullets. In my 26 Nosler, the 120 TTSX and 120 E-Tip are super performers at warp speed, pushing 3,500 fps at near half MOA. The gun also likes 140 NAB's and shoots them about as well at 3,250 fps. Tissue damage hard to distinguish between NAB and faster mono.

With the Creed, 3000+ is about max with 120's. I keep going back to the South Carolina deer kill study which showed that WT's hit with soft C&C bullets ran half as far as WT's hit with harder, premium bullets.

Here's that study: http://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/deer/articlegad.html

So with my Creed and the fact we chest shoot most of our WT's to preserve meat, I'm hard pressed to go with the 120 TTSX in that gun, as much as I like the bullet. My Creed just loves 123 Scenars over Varget, shooting near one hole groups.

I'm going to try some more combos. So far, powders that I've tried, H100V, Varget, RL-15 and 17, want to try RL-16.

I know, I know, near one hole, 123 Scenars and Varget, go with that. But, I'm a Loony, can't do the obvious...

DF

This is a good thread with lots of experience talking. Thanks to all for sharing your knowledge.

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For Deer, I would be at ease with C&C bullets of 120 Grains and over & alot of Elk opportunities of the proper angles but I thought in the event of a quartering forward or high shoulder shot up close the TTSX might be what the Doctor ordered. I am not so sure the TTSX would be really good for the broadside shot at 3-400 yards, again 400 being the self-imposed limit. I just received from Midway a box of 140 Nos. Partitions and a box of the 120TTSX. I have a great load for the Swede at a little under 2700 and I want to run these TTSX's in the Creed but it may be that the bases might be covered slightly better with the 140NP, I believe with the RL26 I have I just might hit 2800 vs 2950 or so with the TTSX, Loonie stuff I guess.

I think RL-26 could be THE Swede/Creed powder, especially with heavier bullets, based on reports and ballistic data.

It's next up for a trip to the range.

Varget is a proven performer with 120's in my Creed, MRP with 139 Scenars in my Swede.

I need to try RL-26 in both, have 147 ELD's headed my way, currently researching load data.

DF

I like it alot with the 140 Accubonds in my Swede DF. Haven't finished the loads yet, but they aren't too far off from good hunting loads and I think you have probably seen my chrono data. It's fast for a Swede..

And, from what I've learned, RL-16 is temp stable. It represents the latest high tech generation of modern propellants.

It out performs most of its peers, is top performer in a number of rounds

What's not to like...

DF


Edited to correct RL-26 should have read RL-16 in earlier posts.

RL-26 is a bit slow for the Creed, RL-16 about ideal.

Finger got on the wrong key...

DF

Well, RL-16 was slow in a 7-08 and a 7-08ai I tried it in, but it may work in the Creed. Good luck. This was with 140 gr bullets.

I have read good velocities with RL16 with 120-123 grain bullets and some fast speeds on the Creedmoor site & LRH with 140-147 grains.

I just got 147 gr. ELD-M's in today. Man, they sure are long bullets.

There'll be a lot of the bullet taking up powder space in the case.

We'll have to see how those loads go together.

They may work in my 6.5x55 or 6.5-284.

If anybody has loads for this bullet in any of the mentioned rounds, would appreciate that info.

DF

DF, I have a box of them myself and I have been waiting to put them and 26 together in my 6.5x55.. Seems like that cartridge should be able to get them moving pretty decent.

I have a buddy building a 6.5x55 Improved (Addiction I think) and said that most folks have been doing super with H4831 in it.. Seems like a good way to roll with great Lapua cases available.

I bought a box of 147s, just to try them in my .260. I got 2724 fps average and sub-half-moa groups using a max load of Re19. I am not a fan of target bullets on game, but I am going to try them on deer this year-hopefully soon if my neighbor gets some depredation permits. That is a long bullet, but I had no problem in my rifle. Coal is 2.848 in my Remington standard magazine. I think that for elk, my preferred would be a 140 Partition, Accubond, or Hornady Interlock.

I'm in the same boat, research phase. I love gathering info from others, saving my barrels...

The 147 is a really long bullet, looks too long for the CM, maybe better in the 6.5x55 or 6.5-284. I have all three, am considering options. People are loading the 147 in the CM, looks like a lot of bullet down in the case, taking up powder room. Maybe these new powders are denser, taking up less case room, such that it doesn't matter.

I see RL-26 data with the CM, seems llike a slow powder for that round, I'm thinking, RL-16 may the THE powder for the CM. It's all theoretical until one gets to the range.

RL-26 may be good in the Swede or 6.5-284 with heavy bullets. Currently my 6.5-284 shoots 140 VLD's at 3K over 48 gr. RL-17. Some say RL-16 may actually be a bit slower than RL-17, so who knows. People have used slow powder in the Swede forever, mine currently shooting 139 Scenars over MRP (similar to RL-22). So RL-26 may not be that big a stretch in that one. I'm seeing Retumbo and RL-26 data, 147 in the 6.5-284. 147's over RL-26 could make the old Swede really shine.

Amazing. Isn't it great all the choices we now have,. bullets and powder.

DF.

I'm always a little astonished when some new Wonder Powder comes out, which works outstandingly in a small number of cartridges, and so many handloaders assume it will produce similar results in a bunch of other cartridges, regardless of their bore/case capacity ratio.

Al the recent TESTED data indicates RL-16 works far better than RL-26 in the 6.5 Creedmoor. The 6.5x55 only has about 4 grains more powder space than the Creedmoor, and its bore/capacity ratio is smaller than that of the .243 or .270 Winchesters, two of the few cartridges where 26 really makes a velocity difference. My own guess (plan to try it sometime but so far haven't) is that RL-23 might be the best of the new Alliant rifle powders for the 6.5x55, since it's between 16 and 26 in burn rate.

So I have shot quite a few Nosler 140 Accubonds with RL26 in my Swede so far JB, and attained excellent speed. Also, RL26 isn't a compressed load at all in my rifle (M70 Featherweight) with the 140's, so I am thinking it'll work decently with the 147's. RL16 turned in pretty normal speeds with the 140 AB's as well, right at the 2750-2800 mark and the accuracy was pretty good. 26 was a good bit faster in FPS. Not saying right or wrong, but in my gun RL26 is pretty danged good in the Swede, as are all of the others like 4350, 4831, 17, 16, etc..

And I also understand they will probably never test 26 in the 6.5 Swede since it is a fairly low PSI round for safety. Again, 26 sorta made me cross eyed since it "shouldn't" work as well as it does in so many rounds, but it is doing well in a bunch of mine so far. The only ones I have tried it in that I really didn't like were the 338 Win with 225's and the 35 Newton with 250's. It did get excellent speed but it was more compressed than I wanted to monkey with and 17 did just about the same thing with less compression.

DF, I think your 6.5-284 would be a SCREAMER with 26 and 140-147 grain bullets..

It is a cool time to be a handloader. Wished I had as much freetime as there were different powders to try out..