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One last time: the 06 case has more capacity that the 308 case. Loaded to the same pressures, the 06 has the ability to push the same bullet at a higher velocity.
Your post contains two errors: 1) you ignore efficiency - case capacity is not the only feature of a case 2) .308 has a higher specified pressure than .30-06. They are not loaded to the same pressure. And an omission: .30-06 is essentially never loaded with top loads, and as a result the loads can be EXACTLY duplicated with a .308. Same bullet, same velocity. While trying to point out his "two errors, and an omission," you just agreed with his sentence that you quoted. Actually, QuickLOAD suggests a .30-06 can push a bullet FASTER than the .308 with both loaded to SAAMI pressures - in other words, the .30-06 can push a bullet faster than the .308 at LOWER pressures than the .308 uses. That shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone, given the 19% (or greater) case capacity of the .30-06 and the minimal (2000psi) difference in SAAMI pressures. But it is something Lame_Bob never mentioned because it would have destroyed his arguments.
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No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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Didn't near read through all these pages, but yrs ago I didn't like the 06 because it seemed like everybody had one and I never was one to just run with the pack. Now that I have one I've learned to appreciate its usefulness and capacity to tackle with authority nearly anything you would want to hunt and still keep things at manageable recoil.
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If I was forced to hunt with a firearm that was NOT obsolete, I would give up hunting.
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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It has been said many times that a person with a .30-06 doesn't need anything else.
For 99.9% of North American hunters, that is as true as ever. I'll give up 0.1% for big bears.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!
No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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The 30-06 is the "Everyman's Elk Rifle"... it really just doesn't get any better. Load a 180 Partiton at 2,800 and slay beasts.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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The 30-06 is the "Everyman's Elk Rifle"... it really just doesn't get any better. Load a 180 Partiton at 2,800 and slay beasts. DRT! Hell, I just got to lookin' around at all my schidt, ( and there's a lot layin' around here) and even the newest mfg center-fire rifle I own is obsolete! How the hell can I kill anything is beyond me.
Founder
Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
WS
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Hell, I just got to lookin' around at all my schidt, ( and there's a lot layin' around here)
and even the newest mfg center-fire rifle I own is obsolete! How the hell can I kill anything is beyond me.
Bob, if you had something chambered that you AIed, put in a Mc Millan McSwirly, with Talley Lightweight Scope mounts, and blue tape on the barrel you would still be able to kill stuff. Otherwise...its a lost cause....
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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Hell, I just got to lookin' around at all my schidt, ( and there's a lot layin' around here)
and even the newest mfg center-fire rifle I own is obsolete! How the hell can I kill anything is beyond me.
Bob, if you had something chambered that you AIed, put in a Mc Millan McSwirly, with Talley Lightweight Scope mounts, and blue tape on the barrel you would still be able to kill stuff. Otherwise...its a lost cause.... Gotcha! Thanks Poobs!! 👍😉😁
Founder
Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
WS
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Hell, I just got to lookin' around at all my schidt, ( and there's a lot layin' around here)
and even the newest mfg center-fire rifle I own is obsolete! How the hell can I kill anything is beyond me.
Bob, if you had something chambered that you AIed, put in a Mc Millan McSwirly, with Talley Lightweight Scope mounts, and blue tape on the barrel you would still be able to kill stuff. Otherwise...its a lost cause.... Gotcha! Thanks Poobs!! 👍😉😁 Blue tape- that's the ticket!!! This gal was on the ground before I recovered from the recoil. .30-06, 150g AccuBond, 2991fps MV, 272 yards. Didn't need the AI, McMillan or Talley accoutrements. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_11412.JPG)
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!
No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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Obsolete?
Not in my household and not in my lifetime.
When truth is ignored, it does not change an untruth from remaining a lie.
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I still kill with the .30-30 Winchester. I have no idea how I do that?
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If I was forced to hunt with a firearm that was NOT obsolete, I would give up hunting.
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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Hell, I just got to lookin' around at all my schidt, ( and there's a lot layin' around here)
and even the newest mfg center-fire rifle I own is obsolete! How the hell can I kill anything is beyond me.
Bob, if you had something chambered that you AIed, put in a Mc Millan McSwirly, with Talley Lightweight Scope mounts, and blue tape on the barrel you would still be able to kill stuff. Otherwise...its a lost cause.... Gotcha! Thanks Poobs!! 👍😉😁 It also has to have a fast twist,otherwise you won't kill anything. 
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Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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It also has to have a fast twist,otherwise you won't kill anything. [/quote] That is the secret to the success of the McFlame!!!
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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Gotcha! Learn something new everyday here on the 'fire.
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell
Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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Pic of 1 in 8 twist .223AI, with Talleys and Mc Millan...aka " The Mc Flame"  ![[Linked Image]](https://s6.postimg.org/9rhgm09hd/IMG_2281.jpg) And they told me the little gun wouldn't kill Oryx....thats the second one that was DRT....
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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Pic of 1 in 8 twist .223AI, with Talleys and Mc Millan...aka " The Mc Flame" And they told me the little gun wouldn't kill Oryx....thats the second one that was DRT.... Probably died of shame!
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell
Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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I still kill with the .30-30 Winchester. I have no idea how I do that? Luck???
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!
No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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I still kill with the .30-30 Winchester. I have no idea how I do that? Luck??? the 30-30 hasn't killed anything for me since 1973!!  That's when I DITCHED it >>  Haven't missed it yet. Jerry
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