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When I get too old to go on foot or on a mule, I will leave the wilderness to younger folks whom I hope will appreciate it as much as I do. But I will still feel good about the protection that a wilderness designation gives to some of the best and critical wildlife habitat that remains. A big +1. Not accepting a donation of private property that would unlock a public parcel because the owner wants it to be designated wilderness is just stupid. And results in the land remaining inaccessible by anyone. If I was the owner trying to donate the land I'd tell Zinke to KMA. A piece of property that controls access to a landlocked area is a valuable commodity, and the owner is damn generous to donate it.
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We do not need more wilderness and national monuments. Very few national monuments are open to hunting and in some cases-such as Wyoming-wilderness is closed to non-residents, unless they hire a guide. In the past thirty years almost every new monument designation or monument/national park expansion has included hunting as part of the conditions. From the Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP to Bears Ears NM. Not every one, but the big majority. The designation of monuments allows for a different management scheme. The short explanation is in almost every case it will help wildlife habitat. Casey
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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So now the goal is to make wilderness areas handicapped accessible? Wow.... In the 90's, when the USFS and BLM (that's the Bureau of Land Management for you urban types), were required to create Travel Management Plans the motorized vehicle groups attempted to use the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) to argue against road designation that limited the motorized crowd to designated roads and trails only. It was amazing, people who I knew all my life bought an ATV and suddenly claimed they had a "disability".....even a couple guys I played softball with............. Casey
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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We do not need more wilderness and national monuments. Very few national monuments are open to hunting and in some cases-such as Wyoming-wilderness is closed to non-residents, unless they hire a guide. In the past thirty years almost every new monument designation or monument/national park expansion has included hunting as part of the conditions. From the Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP to Bears Ears NM. Not every one, but the big majority. The designation of monuments allows for a different management scheme. The short explanation is in almost every case it will help wildlife habitat. Casey In Brown's Canyon all existing land uses(including hunting and grazing) and roads were maintàined, and even some new roads were part of the overall plan.
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It was amazing, people who I knew all my life bought an ATV and suddenly claimed they had a "disability".....even a couple guys I played softball with.............
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Not surprised. Same thing happened here in LA when they legalized crossbows for senior citizens and handicapped hunters. And then, IMO, LA saw that if they legalized crossbows for all that they could make more money.
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Thnx Mudhen.
At the moment I don't have an opinion - except on large tracts, wilderness with only FOOT/pack animal access,
that restricts many people - older hunters - opportunity to hunt.
What's the % of hunters today who are serious PACK IN hunters. I know some do, but IMO they are a small %.
I understand there are many factors involved -- that's why I don't have any strong opinion.
Jerry I have a VERY strong opinion. I'm now locked out of my lifelong antelope and saghen spots, so the feds can save the feral horses and designate "wilderness study areas". A couple of years ago I walked in and shot my antelope, but I couldn't get it packed out...just too old now and busted up. My wife had to come in cross country on her 4-wheeler to get me and the animal. I was only 1/4 mile from a now closed road I have used for almost 60 years, and we had to do something I don't like doing to retrieve the meat. YES, this closes out senior hunters from many of their old haunts. We still get out and walk as much as we can, but the closures have locked the door on us effectively.
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