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You're not just a smart azz, you're an old smart azz......

JK Harry. You're probably the one guy on here who has the best combination of age and intensity of workouts so what I'm about to say won't be news to you.

I'm only 60 but I find the older I get, the more important rest days are. I used to do upper body one day, lower body the next, repeat, etc. I can't do that any more and what's more I feel like I'm strongest after a few days off and I don't lose any strength doing only 1-2 strength sessions for each (upper body and lower body) per week.

Just an observation.

I haven't hunted in the Mutants, but have hunted in their Akasha- it's a little heavier built, but shares the same sticky and aggressive outside; it's the shoe I've also done the last two Bob Marshall Opens- wouldn't want to pack out 80 lbs with them, but hunting in rocky and uneven terrain pretty good choice imo


that's not being a smart azz, just simply sharing some well earned wisdom. Fortunately I've learned a little bit on listening and assessing my body, still learning plenty though I actually felt pretty good this morning (after eating 1000's and 1000's of calories Saturday evening and all day Sunday with several naps thrown in for good measure). I've found that a really easy run after a tough run/hike goes a long way towards recovery. I'll definitely be paying close attention though, as a setback from overtraining or injury is certainly not worth it.

smokepole- agreed; I'm only strength training twice a week (and not overly crazy when I do). I do get a fair bit of running/hiking in during a typical week, but outside of races and an occasional intense training session (usually hill repeats), they are usually on the gentler side.

I've found with age- that consistency with lower intensity is more productive (with lower incidences of injury) than higher intensity and less consistency; of course there are variances with different folks

yep

lower intensity but consistent as you age

No,




Lower intensity while a part of age, doesn't mean you don't push yourself. An 80YO finished the Hawaii triathlon. Most never do find out what they can do. He wasn't one of them.

Neither was this fellow:


70-Year-Old Ultramarathon Runner Competes in 135-Mile Death Valley Race
By Laird Harrison
JULY 12, 2012
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Some people start to slow down in their 50’s. And most people aren’t ready for big physical challenges in their 60’s. But Santa Rosa’s Arthur Webb, at 70, is taking on perhaps the most grueling footrace on the planet – the Badwater Ultra Marathon – a 135-mile course that starts in Death Valley and ends halfway up Mount Whitney. (Update Jul 16: Follow the race here.)

Webb told KQED’s Scott Shafer how he prepares for the challenge.

ARTHUR WEBB: I usually run 10 to 15 miles a day on a regular basis. Training for Badwater is a three-month regimen where I bump that up to 15 to 20 miles a day. For the heat, I go into the sauna for up to 45 minutes at up to 180 degrees. And after that I do some core strengthening exercises in the gym to keep me real strong.


Arthur Webb running in the Badwater Ultramarathon with the temperature 130 degrees.
SCOTT SHAFER: It’s one thing to sit in the sauna, it’s another to run through the desert in temperatures like that for hours and hours. Can you really prepare for something like that?

ARTHUR WEBB: You can. It is a physical and mental litmus test. As I run across this monster in 130-degree weather at times, the heat training has helped. I have light clothing on, and I get sprayed with cold water every once in a while. That helps keep the body core temperature down.

SCOTT SHAFER: Who’s doing that?

ARTHUR WEBB: I have to have a crew. A crew vehicle goes alongside me the whole way. Because if not, you could die in a minute; it’s so extreme.

SCOTT SHAFER: You are going to take 35 or 40 hours to complete it, right?



ARTHUR WEBB: Anything under 48 is good. Nobody my age, 70 years or older, has completed this thing in under 48 hours. Last year, at 69, I did it in 37 hours, which was a benchmark finish. But this year I want to break not only not only 48, but 40 and hopefully somewhere around 35 hours. I run for kids in Santa Rosa. They’ll be watching. After doing it 14 times, I’m really, really confident I can do it.

SCOTT SHAFER: What are some of the worst things that have happened to you in this race?

ARTHUR WEBB: The very first year I ran it I broke my toe the day before, and I ran it with a broken toe, which was aggravating. The heat was extreme. It was 130 the first day, 125 the second day. I had a lot of problems. I passed out the second day. They iced me down. I got up and finished. Three years ago I had a kidney stone a couple of days before the event. Two years ago I went down for nine hours. Who knows why? I was unbalanced. But I was able to get up and run all the way to the finish line which was really great. I got a Sports Illustrated story out of that. And last year I had a hernia the second day, the size of a golf ball, and had to keep pushing it back in for like 60 or 70 miles. That was a strain, but I managed to make it to the finish line even with that.

SCOTT SHAFER: Forgive me, but that sounds a little crazy. Some people do this kind of thing once or twice to challenge themselves. Then they cross it off their bucket list. Why do you keep doing it?

ARTHUR WEBB: I love to do it, I love the challenge. And I feel like I’m an unofficial spokesman for the baby boomers and the older generation, that if you stay mentally alert and physically conditioned, you can do anything. Also at my age it’s just like a bell ringer for a lot of people, especially the kids that I run for.

SCOTT SHAFER: I want to come back to the physical challenges. What does an event like this do to your feet?

ARTHUR WEBB: In the first few years the toe box got so hot out there, because the pavement can get up to 200 degrees, I lost my toenails. The first year they just popped off like popcorn. So since then, about two months before the event, I kill off my toenails and then I pull them off just before the race. In fact I just did one yesterday.

SCOTT SHAFER: You pull the whole toenail off yourself?

ARTHUR WEBB: With a pair of pliers, I just yank them right off.

SCOTT SHAFER: Ouch!

ARTHUR WEBB: And then some years there is so much swelling, my feet are so wet, they are twice their normal size.

SCOTT SHAFER: Stop!

ARTHUR WEBB: You asked. But I never let that get in the way. I rise above all the misery and the pain and the suffering and just concentrate on my goal and why I’m doing this, and that helps.

SCOTT SHAFER: So this is going to be your last ultra marathon. How do you want it to end?

ARTHUR WEBB: This is going to be my last Badwater, but I have more on the horizon I want to do. I’d like to re-qualify to do the Western States 100-mile run again and be the only man over 70 to break 24 hours. And then may attempt to run a couple hundred marathons and break a couple of records there, too.

SCOTT SHAFER: Good luck!

EXPLORE: SPORTS, BAD WATER ULTRA MARATHON, DEATH VALLEY, ULTRA MARATHON

I am literally in awe of you guys- and I mean that seriously. It's an inspriration as I transition into the next stages physically.

Not to get all technical 'n shït but I think as we age, we gain an important athletic attribute called "gristle". Literally and figuratively. From taking apart older animals vs. young ones I've seen how the "medium tissues" (tendons, ligaments, muscle sheaths, etc) get more rigid and substantial. For better and worse. But there's for some better there- we get a little more brittle maybe, but there's not much that's gonna out-tough an athletic older guy or gal. Gristle.

Got an antelope buck today! I'm too many IPA's into my celebration to deal with imgur but I'll put up a pic tomorrow. Nothing huge. As far as exercise I did 7-8 miles of badlands in the heat today. Gonna stay here (it's paradise, fantastic small-river trout fishing for big native redbands) for another day... or two...

^ congrats Jeff! gristle- I like it

battue- yup- you need to occasionally push yourself, no doubt

took a nice and easy 5-ish mile trail run yesterday evening; have a big run in Glacier planned Friday, so will likely take it a bit easy the next couple of days

The goal of my training regimen is to be able to spend entire days in the mountains and hills. This requires spending time on my feet w/out aggravating old injuries. Lowering intensity via moving slower and choosing easier terrain has extended my ability to put in consecutive days doing what I like best. Last January I hunted the Salmon and Beaverhead zones on snowshoes pulling a sled for 3 weeks in deep snow conditions. I averaged 10 hour days hiking 1 hour and calling 45-60 minutes. I would cover 8-10 miles of beautiful country devoid of other humans. Every 4th or 5th day I would take a total rest day and recover well. I am 70 years old and plan on doing this for awhile longer. Hopefully this year will bring less snow as the snowshoeing kicks my butt.

This is the most informative and inspirational part of the CF and keeps me coming back, thanks guys.


mike r

long days snowshoeing in the mountains may just be one of the best "training regimens" there is. It works every lower body muscle, tendon and ligaments; the more long snowshoe trips I have under my belt, the better prepared I am for the Bob Open. Long runs (and short runs) certainly help, but am convinced the more hours I spend on shoes the better.

Still at it. Heavy strong lifts in 5,3,1 type lifting program. Following my main lift, with a hard rounds of conditioning. Wanted to mix things around some with conditioning and add new movements. Kept reading about kettle bell routines. Watched and read about kettle bell swings and their many benefits. Hmmm, doesn't look too hard, swinging a 35/45 lbs weight up and down like that I thought. What the Hell. I'll go get myself a 35 lbs kettle bell and if it turns out to be sissy stuff I'll leave it over by my wife's work out area.

Started following a Tabata routine that I saw on Youtube with 20 seconds of kettle bell swings, cleans, presses, ect ect, followed by 10 seconds rest between each 20 second lift for five rounds. Then rest 30 seconds and hit it again like before for five more rounds. Do that a total of five rounds in five sets and you get about 20 minutes of a routine. Let me tell you something fella's...turns out it ain't sissy stuff!

Sunday:

1500 meter (.93 mile) swim
40km (24.85 mile) bike
10km (6.2 mile) run

Since then: Persistent Vegetative State

kettle bell great work outs

using for 15 years


try 2 min of Turkish get ups

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGRBvom4Zrw

Yesterday: Rower--30minutes

Today: Treadmill intervals--30minutes

Weights: Legs/triceps evolution


That is some serious weight for a Turkish..

Elliptical-30min
Weights-Chest and arm evolution.
Push-ups-100 total
Repeat hill climbs with the Dog-45min
Body weight squats-100

Battue, you are an animal. Now I have to do 100 air squats tonight.


mike r

If I was you, I would throw up 101 just because....

a quick round robin of 5 sets of 30 pushups, 30 situps and 10 pullups; getting packed for Glacier- going to try to leave pronto after work tomorrow

Looks like it will be warm and dry in GNP. Is this a race or a fun run and where will it be. I have seen more Griz in GNP than in Yellowstone, I don't believe that they are attracted by runners


mike r

Purely fun

Our original route (Gunsight Pass trail to Lake McDonald) was nixed due to a fire that has close the last 6 miles of trail (and Sperry Chalet as well). We'll either do the Redgap- Ptarmigan Loop or the Highline-Swiftcurrent Loop (with bear spray in tow :D)