Home Forums Lever Action Central Big Bore Levers Good read on Meplat and wound damage

Why are posters here so frigging stupid?

So called "Hydrostatic shock" was debunked 60 years ago and yet forum nimrods continue to try to use the word in a sentence.

Proof please

Yeah, the persons who performed the autopsies in on our soldiers in Iraq were wrong. They didn't see distant wounding in the autopsies they conducted. I'll dismiss their observations in favor of some dipshidt blowhard on the worldwide web.

Yeah, all those myths about bloodshot meat just keep on happening.

Bloodshot meat is a myth. Unless the bullet makes direct contact with the tissue, the tissue is not damaged.

Ya myth, like no one uses 45-70s anymore.

From what I have been able to " extract" from the " grananimal pack" is a study that had equations derived from using a machine to remove kidney stones. It basically " debunked" at that time the thought that hyperspeeds out of a handgun would replace mass and bore size?

I have yet to see any debunking of current studies based on centerfire rifles, still waiting.

"Blood shot" happens because the heart is still pumping. You get lots of it with archery kills. Seriously, some of you are total dumbshlts.

It's quite difficult to know how to engage in a discussion with someone who snipes like a child. I'll ask you again what you make of the autopsies of our soldiers in Iraq. They were autopsied by medical professionals and most often showed injuries distant from the wound. What are your thoughts on that? What would explain a heart literally tuned into a ball of mush by bullet expanded to just .5 inches? Fist sized chunks of lung turned to jelly? What causes damage much greater than the diameter of the bullet if not a violent pressure wave?

I know it's going to be difficult for you to answer those questions. But give it your best whirl.

You are an especially dense dumbshlt. You're too stoooooopid to realize that your mythical Autopsies, which you have zero 1st-hand knowledge of, or data to show, are meaningless. And, you're also way to stooopid to understand that "bloodshot" and tissue disruption are different . OTOH, I and a bazzilion other hunters have experienced bloodshot, (rifle and archery).

By the way dense one, blood is a non-compressible liquid, and heart is full of it. So "duh", the heart chamber will explode.

There, I've typed more than this was worth.

Archery bloodshot meat? Never had that problem of hydrostatic shock blowing up much with an arrow. I have cut away a LOT of ruined tissue that a projectile never touched out of a gun, in various critters over the years. You call it whatever you like or act like a retard over it....I don't care. I wasn't really having some huge debate on one end of this discussion or the other, merely pointing out simple observations that have applied to stuff since gunpowder came along. Seems you just accidentally explained some fluid dynamics relating to all of this, yourself.

It sounds like you are saying that the pressure wave created by the blood in the heart causes it to explode. Since you struggle to answer questions and engage in adult tenor discussions, maybe you can give me a link to support that the pressure wave created by the bullet passing through the vitals of an animal creates no meaningful shock or damage.

You are wrong about blood not being compressible. That doesn't really have anything to do with the discussion anyway. Here's a link (one of many) that supports my position. https://www.researchgate.net/post/Are_liquids_compressible So far I have have provided two links to dispute your beliefs. You've done nothing but bloviate.

Ya think?

You mean to tell me you've never seen the blood spread out between the muscle and silverskin around the arrow entry/exit? Thats bloodshot and if you don't get it out it will taint the meat.

Bullets crush tissue, broadheads slice it. The crush zone bleeds and if you dont get the blood out the meat will be funky. Crushing is normal and not part of some mythical pressure wave. This is one area where gellatin blocks are showing you the truth.

Deer,Elk, humans are not bottles of water. Go read Fackler.

You mean to tell me that you think bleeding is the same as damaged/destroyed, blood infused tissue that no projectile ever physically touched?....cuz you're just talking about bleeding. An animal can stump a toe and bleed. Crush zone? When tissue gets jellied 6-10" away from the bullet path, do you stay up all night scratching your head over it? Maybe we should throw out that projectiles start producing different results on most anything, at >1500 and again at > 2000.....and likely more or it's likely a range. I'm not trying to get into detailed physics here, but just the common sense and experience end of things.....like the bottle of water comment. Most all mammals are 70% water. You must be focusing on that other 30% of sticks, hide, and hair?

Classic dumbshlt statement.

Sure. Whatever you say.


Thanks for that


Now everyone here knows what they're dealing with and how to view your posts.


Discussing what effects energy has on game vs bullet types, is not the same as promoting energy or any other theory over anything else. Recognizing energy transfer DOES exist, is only logical, due to physics. The form and effects have always been debated. Nor does pointing this out mean I'm trying to prove some magical pressure wave effect. Energy is transferred beyond what a projectile physically touches. Argue over what it does all you want.

Why don't you read Faulkner to us. Thanks.


I personally think he is telling a way different story than what you portray.

He's not interested in conversation. He's not here for discussion. He's not here to impart knowledge. He's here to compensate for something lacking in his life. People with self-respect don't do what he is doing. What I typically see with these types when I meet them in real life is that they have short man syndrome or they are morbidly obese. It may be something different with him. But I have never met an internet [bleep] who was comfortable in his own skin.

Sounds like moanings of a feucktard who has just realized what a feucktard he is. BTW, it's Fackler, not Faulkner. The former was a doctor and pathologist, the latter a spinner of tales.

Read Martin Fackler's works on wounding mechanisms. And then you'll graduate from feucktard/dumbshlt to noob.