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Children, I did not start the thread as a place for you to fight.
I've had a 12 gauge, shot it w/7/8 oz handloads. It would break anything.
Recoil was not an issue, rotator cuffs are.
I have yet to find a clays suitable o/u with tubes from Browning or Beratta for <$1500
don't suggest a "machine" to me, I hate them.
If you want to fight, please take it elsewhere !
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Ok Age has dictated lighter and less recoil for a 100 round stint of Sporting Clays.
Need a budget 20 ga with tubes, ejectors and SST.
CZ ? Turkish ? Savage ?
$1500 tops. Rotator cuffs were not mentioned, recoil was. You are on your own.
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Not surprising in you case, since you can't remember what you wrote 24 hours previously.
Found 2 Brownings within that price range. Took about 20 minutes. 👍
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This thread turned into a dumpster fire in a hurry.
It�s a magazine not a clip......
Advice is seldom welcome, and those who need it the most, like it the least.� - Lord Chesterfield. 1750
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It must be just terrible to be so unappreciated !
Posting a signature in Frogspeak only emphasizes how superior you are to the rest of us.
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Not to worry Passport. Found this site has that wonderful "ignore" feature.
Others may have to suffer him ...... I no longer do.
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Well obviously to you, but you miss me already? Figured you would forget or are you just FOS.. Quit giving the old folks a bad rep.
There is one out there for considerably less than $1500. Now repeat that and try not to forget..Pooooooof gone. Solly and by.
Fact is you are too lazy to get off your ass and find it yourself.
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Sorry to the OP. Posts are usually better than this.
So, what constitutes a "clays ready" O/U for you? Are there specific and necessary features that you are looking for?
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You also don't recognize recoil and all the physics of what causes it. Weight of projectile and velocity aren't the only factors. The base of the projectile will directly affect felt recoil, as it is based on the bore diameter as well as projectile.
What a load of rubbish. The free recoil formula couldn't care less about the base of the projectile or the bore diameter. The free recoil formula uses the weight of the firearm, the weight of the ejecta and the velocity of the ejecta. Nothing more.
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In an attempt to get this post back on track... Regarding recoil, put simply (in round figures), reduce the velocity of the cartridge by 10%, you reduce free recoil by 20%. Reduce the shot load by 10% and you again reduce free recoil by 20%. Reduce both by 10% and you reduce free recoil by 40%.
So going from 1oz @ 1350 to 7/8 @ 1200 (both changes are around 10%), in a 7lb gun, you reduce free recoil from 15.8 foot pounds to 10.1 foot pounds (actually 36% reduction not 40%, but hopefully you get the drift).
The gauge that you are using has NO effect. The weight of the gun has an effect, which is what battue was pointing out. If you are already using 7/8 oz @ 1150 in a 7lb 12g, using 7/8 oz in a 6lb 20g will generate more free recoil.
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Not to worry Passport. Found this site has that wonderful "ignore" feature.
Others may have to suffer him ...... I no longer do. LOL!!! Look at this frickin guy!! LMAO!!! The dumpster fire in the flesh!! LOL!!!
It�s a magazine not a clip......
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According to Chuck Hawks, whom I would put more stock in than Campfire members, does say that a 20 gauge shotgun weighing 6.5 pounds with a 7/8 oz load will have less recoil than a 12 gauge weighing 7.5 pounds with 1 oz load. Maybe, maybe not, but he has done more with ballistics than anyone else posting here. http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_recoil_table.htm
I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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According to Chuck Hawks, whom I would put more stock in than Campfire members, does say that a 20 gauge shotgun weighing 6.5 pounds with a 7/8 oz load will have less recoil than a 12 gauge weighing 7.5 pounds with 1 oz load. Maybe, maybe not, but he has done more with ballistics than anyone else posting here. http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_recoil_table.htmQuite correct - given that the velocity is the same in both cases. But the gauge has nothing to do with it. A 12 ga shotgun weighing 6.5 pounds with a 7/8 oz load will have less recoil than a 12 ga shotgun weighing 7.5 pounds with a 1 oz load. Put another way, a 12 ga shotgun weighing 6.5 pounds with a 7/8 oz load will have exactly the same free recoil as a 20 (or 28) ga shotgun weighing 6.5 pounds with a 7/8 oz load.
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You are cherry picking. Chuck also said 1oz in the light 20 recoils more than the same 1oz in a 7.5lb 12. (21.ft/lbs vs 17.3 ft/lbs) Which is what Mike also said. You want to equate recoil based on gun weight, then the shot quantity and FPS has to be the same. However, Woolrich changed his mind and said the question isn't about recoil, so why are we concerned with it? Like the gas gun being suggested when he inquired about an O/U. Although it isn't all that rare for some to contradict themselves here. Goes with the territory.
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There's no need to get carried away with answering any query put forward by 'Woolrich', he's just another fcking troll. Check out his "Rechambering Question " post on the Gunsmithing forum.
Steelhead has him nailed, he has retard figured out quite nicely.
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Hmmmmm?
Cest La Vie in frogspeak
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What type clays you intend to shoot...I personally find the 20 s to recoil as much or more than 12.. Mainly due to the lighter weight of the 20 ..I shoot a browning ultra xs skeet for most things except trap...it is a dream to shoot with the ported barrels and the whole gun design....same loads in a field citori feel way stiffer....most clay shooting can be done with a 410 if your good enough....bigger gauge just gives a bigger margin of error.... Odvusly with your shoulder issue maybe a 12 with 20 ga tubes would be an option.to get the weight up some....or one of those mucury things in the butt stock...
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This place would most definitely qualify for a study on the presentation of information and its comprehension.Throw in behavioral science and Freud would crawl out of the grave to analyze the data.
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Advice taken and sorry for the ruffled feathers, over and out on this mistake.
I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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