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That's no excuse for wearing a fanny pack.

I will be surprised if a Pawnee County Oklahoma jury would convict the truck driver. All a jury has to have is reasonable doubt to acquit. I would have been in fear for my family in this situation. It will be hard for the prosecution to show that there wasn't a self defense motive guiding the truck drivers actions or to show these actions to be excessive. He called for help and neutralized the person closest to his wife and children. Police response cannot be counted on in rural areas. They could easily be 30 miles away. This case will be decided in rural Oklahoma, not San Francisco or New York. We will see.

What's a "real biker?"

I sure wish you guys would quit calling the piss ant college kids "Bikers".
Real bikers would have F'ed up the guys in the trucks.
But then again, the slobs in the trucks would have pissed themselves if the were surrounded by 1% ers.

I sure wish you guys would quit calling the piss ant college kids "Bikers".
Real bikers would have F'ed up the guys in the trucks.
But then again, the slobs in the trucks would have pissed themselves if the were surrounded by 1% ers.

Prosecution counsel will ask him why if he were in fear for his life did he not call (or have his wife call) 911 too. Prosecution will ask him how he managed to pass the motorcyclists on one road, but couldn't find the horsepower to pull away on the ambush road. Prosecution will ask him what imminent physical threat he faced when he stepped out of his truck with his brother providing shotgun cover. But then again, it is Oklahoma, so who knows what you'll get in a jury.

I got the fact that I didn't own a car until age 40, the previous 12 years and 250,000 miles were all on motorcycles, my only transportation during that period, most of my riding being at high speed in rural Texas. I have spend much time around every demographic involved in that video. I see it the same way Paul B. does.



No need to put "motorcyclists" in quotes Bub. What we are getting is this was a convoy of 9 or 12 college guys, on their way to a motorcycle race. At least half the group is on these little all-terrain moped deals, on which this lengthy expedition musta seemed funny at the time.

Speaking in generalities, "biker" conveys a different mindset: Extreme conformity of image. Louder, slower motorcycles. Alcohol rather than caffeine, and a much higher degree of interpersonal violence, implied and/or expressed.

If I'm in a pickup with my wife and kids and I'm in a long-running road rage incident with 9 to 12 individuals, first thing I do is call the Sheriff. I do this because if this thing progresses to deadly force, I need this whole situation documented. Likewise me and/or my wife are recording the whole deal on our phones.

Instead this guy calls his buddies, they have enough time to assemble and set up a roadblock while truck guy cruises along slow enough for at least 20 minutes slow enough that the mopeds can keep up.

Once at the roadblock truck guy parks his truck, with his wife and kids in it, right in the middle of the event, not the action of a man afraid for his children. He gets out of his truck, is not worried about the other 8 to 11 moped guys, his buddies have them covered. Instead he concentrates on loudmouth, immediately initiates a beat- down, specifically tries to hit loudmouth in the face to break bones even after he's down, closes with a stomp on the chest and a vicious kick to the ribs on the prostrate and I resisting Loudmouth.

Loudmouth, fortunately for both parties, escapes serious injury due to full face helmet and the fact that truck guy is wearing loafers rather than boots.

Extreme stupidity on the part of college guys for continuing this at all, let alone allowing themselves to be drawn into a trap.

Extreme stupidity on the part of bikers (as at least two out of the three principal actors self-identified as being) for assuming none of the college guys were armed ( just dumb luck this thing didn't devolve into shots fired), and for failing to anticipate the whole thing would end up on YouTube.

JMHO

The learned reader would understand what I offered was possible counterpoint with some opinion and some fact. So you're basically taking a SWAG and passing it off as fact? Yeah, well done liberal, well done

Prosecution counsel will ask him why if he were in fear for his life did he not call (or have his wife call) 911 too. Prosecution will ask him how he managed to pass the motorcyclists on one road, but couldn't find the horsepower to pull away on the ambush road. Prosecution will ask him what imminent physical threat he faced when he stepped out of his truck with his brother providing shotgun cover. But then again, it is Oklahoma, so who knows what you'll get in a jury.

You are not making sense here. We don't know what happened before the video started. So your whole premise for your comments are unsupported. We don't know he passed any motorcycles anywhere. Didn't you notice it was rural and could take quite awhile for authorities to arrive if at all. In our county we can't expect the sheriff to come at all.

The "learned reader"? OK professor queef.

I'll acquiesce to your pathetic, condescending attitude until i get through my dissertation defense. So until then you can continue to wax eloquently with your self-perceived learned status and i'll not delineate your profound stupidity, but we all know you're dumb as a door knob.

If there is a lower form of life than a 1%er I don't know of it.

If there is a lower form of life than a 1%er I don't know of it.

You are not making sense here. We don't know what happened before the video started. So your whole premise for your comments are unsupported. We don't know he passed any motorcycles anywhere. Didn't you notice it was rural and could take quite awhile for authorities to arrive if at all. In our county we can't expect the sheriff to come at all.