When I was in RSA in 2000, they were having a big symposium in HIV/AIDS. They claimed that 3% of the Black population of RSA alone was HIV-positive. They predicted that with that current rate of transmission that by 2012 20 million people in RSA would be HIV p[positive and 6 million would be dead of AIDS. By 2016 if their calculations were off. They predicted by 2020 up to half of Black Africa would be dead of AIDS, and a post apocalyptic world of over flowing hospitals and mass graves would be the order of the day.
It is nearly 2018, and no such thing has happened. No body wants to see misery and disease, but HIV being sexually transmitted and a slow killer is the p[perfect vehicle for mass transmission. What happened? Were the fears over hyped or are their millions dying and the press isn't covering it?
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
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I was in Cameroon in 1998 working at a hospital in Garobli and one in Nguandari (SP??) - working on a generator, some lab equipment and wiring systems.
The hospitals had 60 to 80% HIV patients. The doctors said however that the number one cause of death was from people drinking out of water holes that were shared with animals.
Most people couldn't afford hospitals. The one in Garobli had only three staff -- two doctors and one nurse. No one else on the property. The rooms were horrible - stinky and dirty. The bigger of the two hospitals Nguandari had 5 disposable gloves hanging out to dry -- that's all they had -- just to give you an idea of their supplies.
Our huts had Green Mambas in them at times and there were King Cobras in the garbage pit. The natives took care of the snakes though.
The scariest thing in Cameroon was their police.
I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
The best thing that could happen to Sub-Saharan Africa would be for a majority of the population to die, regardless of the cause, and to have the survivors ask their European former colonial masters to come back and manage their countries with UN oversight. It seems to me that management by a benevolent Governor General would benefit that majority of the people who suffer greatly because of their corrupt and incompetent quasi-democracies. Zimbabwe's failure is a HBR case study example of how a successful enterprise can get flushed down the crapper when corrupt and incompetent leaders take care of themselves, they families and friends to the detriment of the people to chose them to rule.
I went to Cameroon in '96 and '97. Had a tracker end up in a "hospital" from a goring from a buff. I went there to check on him and no joke it was a cinder block building that looked like a gas station. The "ward" was a 16 x 12' room with about 8 beds, and there were chickens hopping around in the room. The local MD had cleaned his wounds, sutured him and wrapped him up but gave him no meds because they didn't have any. I carry plenty when I go, so gave him a butt full of Pen G and I.M. Ketoralac and took him back to camp, which was a whole lot cleaner.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
All I can tell you is ALL of the staff, trackers, skinners, etc I've known save one, have ALL died from AIDS.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
The first tracker I hunted with in Namibia died of AIDS right before my 2nd hunt there with the same outfit. The owner of our outfit told me the death certificate would not show HIV/AIDS as the cause of death because the black community would not believe it anyway, in spite of 50% of them having it.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
I have often wondered when the apocalypse of HIV deaths would come to subsaharan africa and kill over half the population. This was the prediction that we heard some 20 years ago. I even supported a Campus Crusade missionary who worked for years on AIDS prevention throughout africa.
Part of the answer is that the United States has spent hundreds of millions on making HIV meds available through out africa. These can prolong life for decades. Also the average age of mortality is relatively young in this part of the world so that many HIV positive patients may be surviving to an age that is within the normal range of mortality and their deaths may be attributed to "natural causes".
But it is still a story that has not been carefully investigated and reported upon. I'm glad it's been brought up here and would love to know the real answers.
HIV is almost the perfect killer to erradicate mankind. Good thing that some of the anti viral drugs hare effective in remission.
[i]Sexually transmitted - People ain't going to stop having sex Slow to show symptoms[/i] - People will pass it around and not know they have it Uses your own immune system to kill you - let's anything get you Viral -hard to kill Mutates at an alarming rate - difficult to make a vaccine
It's a disease that is spread by sex and wipes out your immune system to let everything else kill you. Savagely brilliant.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
When I hunted Botswana in 2005, the HIV infection rate was estimated at 30%. The camp manager told me that she kept a large bowl of free condoms in the staff quarters . She never had to refill it as the locals simply were not about to use condoms- and they f—ked like rabbits. Fast forward to now. Same story, different year....
I've considered the fact that since HIV doesn't immediately become AIDS, and the AIDS is not immediatedly fatal like let's say Ebola, infected individuals procreate for years and years and are out of the breading age by thetime AIDS gets them.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
I have had several employees die from complications from Having AIDS. One was a white girl the rest were blacks. The white girl a kitchen worker received it from her husband. He was notorious for screwing the black girls in camp. We all knew it but he never was caught. Sure enough he contracted it and then of course his wife. He died first, she hung on for a long time. But eventually she passed away too. The black girls in camp are with different guys every day. It's odd to be sure they way they seem to share things as they do. A new black guy comes to camp because we need labor for fence repairs or ditches dug for water pipe.
Same day he arrives he is in the cabin with one of the black girls. I asked her ( long time employee) why she would sleep with this guy she does not know? She told me he said she had to sleep with him. It's a very peculiar situation where girls have no self esteem or perceived value. They are only meant to feel wanted for sex. So it seems if that is the only part of their life that provides them with a feeling self worth they jump on it?
I asked her about the AIDS, she said she washes up good? and..... " everybody gotta die sometime"
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My last Zimbabwe safari I asked my PH "what would his guys like? A new,leather man? Backpack?? Cabela's hoodie? NOPE!!! They wanted American Viagra. Which of course I didn't bring(ain't got a prescription)
In 2006 I was told in South Africa that 40% of the population was HIV positive. No such problem in Zimbabwe, though, because they don't have statistics in Zimbabwe. Besides, the average life span in Zimbabwe was only 35 anyway, so they die before AIDS gets them.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
Many people dying of AIDS at a young age is likely a big contributor to that low average life span. Babies getting the virus while still in the womb, die young. Likely a bunch get it from nursing, too. (shared body fluids)
I was hunting on the Gwaai in 2000...there was a noticeable lack of people between the ages of 12 and 30.......
That is the prime breeding age. Wonder how that has affected the current population numbers in that area? They could locally have had the population crash that was predicted around the time you were there.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
Look at the bus stops. There are prostitutes selling themselves for pennies -- men standing in line. There is total disbelief when trying to explain to the men that what they are doing will eventually kill them and their wifes. (Men often will have several wifes due to boys dying in their youth due to poor diet. Girls evidently can handle the poor diet better. Where I was in Cameroon (EAST) 50% of the boys die before they can reach three years old.)
Years ago, men hunted and had sex. That was the manly thing to do... Who can blame that. However, the hunting has declined so what else is there to do??
Middle age in eastern Cameroon was about 25-30,death wasn't much later. When I explained my age people were amazed. They had never seen anyone that old. (I was the first white person that many had seen.)
Their belief is that their HIV deaths are caused by curses by their enemies -- there's no way that having sex can possibly kill them years later.
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In 2003 in RSA I asked the trackers if they worried about AIDS. They said it was a "White mans disease" that was made up to scare them into not having sex. I asked them about using condoms and they said "Don't you take the wrapper off of your candy before you eat it?" Hard to convince them that something will kill them in 10-20 years when they could be stomped or bitten by something tomorrow.
I am continually astounded at how quickly people make up their minds on little evidence or none at all. Jack O'Connor
The phrase " white mans disease" is a very common statement. It's origin is from Mbeki on a news program. He was actually doing an equivalent to the state of the nation when he used that phrase.
He said that AIDS is not the problem that is being taught to them in schools and by Missions. It was made up by the white man to reduce the black birth rate so that the white population could regain a majority to take back the country. They should go forth and feel 100% safe to reproduce and help keep a black majority.
****My text here is not an exact quote, but rather the way I recall his press confrence and what he said.***
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I guess the BBC article did not want to share the statement about the white people trying to scare the blacks into not reproducing. Probably too political to stirr that up. After all, that is a stupid level of declaration by Mbeki. One really common practice in RSA with the girls not wanting to get pregnant, and yet another misguided thought( that it was strictly a reproductive issue), was to use the other location for the activity. I guess the guys do not care which location is made available so long as they get one of them.
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www.huntingadventures.net Are you living your life, or just paying bills until you die? When you hit the pearly gates I want to be there just to see the massive pile of dead 5hit at your feet. ( John Peyton)
I went to Cameroon in '96 and '97. Had a tracker end up in a "hospital" from a goring from a buff. I went there to check on him and no joke it was a cinder block building that looked like a gas station. The "ward" was a 16 x 12' room with about 8 beds, and there were chickens hopping around in the room. The local MD had cleaned his wounds, sutured him and wrapped him up but gave him no meds because they didn't have any. I carry plenty when I go, so gave him a butt full of Pen G and I.M. Ketoralac and took him back to camp, which was a whole lot cleaner.
I was up-country in Ghana, ~ 2010, on a medical mission trip to a small little country mission hospital. Really primitive with a scarcity of working equipment and sanitation. Natives were pretty fatalistic regarding life, disease, and death. These poor country folk were mostly quiet, and accepting of whatever came their way or you did for them.
My impression was and is with over fifty years of being an independent republic and with abundant natural resources, the masses still lived like five hundred years ago, cooking over an open fire near a very primitive shanty. Accra was an apocalyptic looking city of pollution and filth.
Give some of our demonstrating NFL and other citizens a week or six in Ghana (or other sub-Saharan countries) and I think they'd revise their opinions about the state of existence here. Ignorance is a terrible affliction; make it public and it's terrible stupidity.
I hunted in Zim in 2012. There was a government employee with us with an AK 47. Guess that was a government requirement. He told me he had aids. He seemed healthy and unconcerned about it. I guess he was about 40 years old.
The white PHs in Tanzania have their own blood pool, that is supposed AIDs free and for their families use. I have always donated blood when I was there.
Both times I was in Zim (2000 and 2006) the PHs said most of their staff were HIV positive. Said if someone got hurt, to set the first aid kit in front of them, step away, and let them treat themselves.
The old Rhodies said the locals referred to getting full blown AIDS as getting 'a puncture', as in a tire. The victims just slowly deflate.
It’s for all that’s discussed here that I have little patience or sympathy for black, twenty-something, NFL, multimillionaires “taking a knee” before the flag, who’d be selling tilapia, mango, or pineapple out of a basket on their head most places in Africa were they there.
But then, again, how did they arrive at this unthinking, critical state of mind toward the nation that has brought them wealth and fame? By..liberal policies, education, and a culture that has entitled them; enabled their inadequacy and irresponsibility, and nurtured their resentment, and fostered their victimhood.
When I see them "taking a knee" during the anthem, I can't help but think about the thousands of young men and women,in the military, who literally risk their lives everyday so that these azzholes have the "freedom" to play football for millions.
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maybe bill Clinton and al franken should go hunt in Africa ? and take any pro football player that takes a knee on a all safari paid for by the football league but only a one way ticket.
