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You sure you don't mean .75"? .95" would make for a looong .25 bullet. A couple sample Sierra 100gr. spitzers I have on hand mic out at an RCH longer than that and I know for a fact that it's a waste of time trying to make them work in an old .250. No, it was .95". A 100gr Nosler Partition comes in at just over 1" and won't stabilize worth snot. A 100gr Partition with the lead tip cut off is .91" and 98gr and stabilizes pretty well. I personally would aim for .9" or lower to get good stabilization, but bullets that are up to .95" might be worth trying. Individual rifles differ, I'd expect some to be okay and others to shoot them horribly. The bullets used in my test were, from left to right: 1) a 1.04" long original 100gr Nosler Partition 2) a .915" long 98.3gr Nosler Partition which has had the lead nose cut off 3) a .85" long 96gr Nosler Partition cut dow 4) a .835" long 87gr Speer Hot Core. Hah! I stand corrected, Rory. I forgot about that experiment you and I collaborated on many moons ago. Could be I also had .22HP dimensions rattling around between my ears. Don't forget too that elevation, humidity, temperature, velocity, and alignment of the moon and stars has a bearing on whether or not a bullet will stabilize in a marginal rate of twist. What doesn't work for me down here at sea level may well work for a shooter in the rarified air of higher elevations out west.
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Hah! I stand corrected, Rory. I forgot about that experiment you and I collaborated on many moons ago. Could be I also had .22HP dimensions rattling around between my ears.
Don't forget too that elevation, humidity, temperature, velocity, and alignment of the moon and stars has a bearing on whether or not a bullet will stabilize in a marginal rate of twist. What doesn't work for me down here at sea level may well work for a shooter in the rarified air of higher elevations out west. All very true. Gotta pick out a 250-3000 to use next month and get it sighted in. Time to hunt with a 25, probably use Hot Cores.
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[quote=Sportsdad60 THanks for sharing, Greg Gary.
Fixed it for ya! [/quote] Apologies! GARY!
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I'm thinking with all this talk about what bullets will and will not stabilize in the 250-3000, that a 99 in 25-35WCF with 117g pills might be the better quarter-bore deer rifle, no? Leave the 250 for the throttle-jockey coyote knockers
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Jeff, my 1950R shoots the 100 grain Remingtons so well I bought a late 40's EG to make it my 87 grain gun, but it loves the 100's too. So I bought Randy's 250-3000 Rifle, because it was so darn pretty and I knew he shot 87's in it. But it likes the 100's too. On top of that, my hunting buddy just inherited a bunch of reloading stuff, and in the pile was an old coffee can (2 pounds) full of 100 grain Corloks. After Christmas I might be looking for another 250 for my 87 grain gun, Joe.
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It The 1913 22HP that is now a .250-300, professional restored at some point in its life, didn't fare so well for accuracy but the newer scope I put on it but I didn't have time to fiddle with the scope, I was there to chrono the Remington box ammo .250 with 100 gr projectiles so I could get some velocity readings and come close or below Remington velocities. Put that one away for another day to figure out the accuracy with the scope. Last up was the [b]1913 22 Hi Power using Lelliar & Bellot box ammo with 70 gr projectiles. First shot I noticed I wasn't even on paper. The Marbles Tang peep is adjusted to it's lower point and still shooting too high. Do they make a shorter shaft for the Marbles to get that peep down lower? It was adjusted down to max. So I flipped that down and flipped up the standard buck rear sight. Much better, first shot at 50 yards was 2" right of center. Next shot was 6" right of center. WHAT THE HECK? I couldn't get any good accuracy with the 6 shots I fired but when I start reloading this round I hope to draw that group in. Yesterday after work I had another session with the two "problem" rifles that I have not reloaded for yet (still waiting on components) The .250-3000 mystery was solved, the Leopold scope mount (with stripped out slot on top, rear screw by former owner) was kitty-wampus. It was mounted to the receiver poorly. I adjusted the Leopold 2x7 (25yards to get it on paper) to the left maximum and it was still popping paper 3" right, but with a nice tight group. When I got home I managed to get the scope mount off albeit at the cost of a broker screw in the receiver. Its back to it's original buckhorn set up for now until I find some time to slap the rifle in a mount and drill out that screw on the receiver. The 22HP with the L&B "Shotgun" pattern ammunition was still apparent even at 25 yards using the folding buckhorn.(I didn't bother with the Marbles, its way too tall) I will reload my own when components come and wait to see if that straightens things out with this 1913 made 22HP. If not, he'll be a wall hanger in our cabin we're building in Montana, or perhaps find a replacement barrel for it.
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Don't keep us in suspense - tell us what your loads were. I typically withhold that info since so many different opinions on best combinations, but I'll make an exception. going from memory here (my log book is at home) I used for the .300 savage--> 38.3 gr of H-335 with a 150 gr Sierra SP and the .308 I used the same bullet with 42.5 grs of H-335. Magnum primers on both since I ran out of regular.
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Some expected "Pet" loads ready in .250. I suspect I will have great success with BLC(2) as I have in past similar smaller cartridge rounds. 100 gr Sierra (length = .950) VS. 100 gr Remington (length=.940)
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Sportsdad60, what twist was the .250-3000 re-barreled at?
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Keith, I haven't a clue. I have not slugged the barrel nor chamber cast but it shoots box ammo (Rem .250 100 gr ammo, 1980s boxed ammo) really great. My guess is that he either bought this in an Idaho Gun Show in the 1980's or had it professionally restored and re-bored by a friend around that same time.
One regret I have, I didn't save all the letters he sent me on a monthly basis over the past 10 years, he always started his letters with at least 2 pages of Savage history or his collection,or what he'd picked up recently.
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