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Just a fun thread here. smile

I know calibers will very pending on where you live in the US.
What would be you're one caliber, you would pick to hunt all of North Americas medium and big game? Not including Brown or Grizzly's Bear?

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Either a 7x57 or a .30/06. Maybe a 7mm Rem but they are really all the same when the animals are the same.
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Originally Posted by huntersdog
Just a fun thread here. smile

I know calibers will very pending on where you live in the US.
What would be you're one caliber, you would pick to hunt all of North Americas medium and big game? Not including Brown or Grizzly's Bear?

Well, I would say any caliber from the .22 to the .30-caliber should be fine, not necessarily short and fat, long, belted and non-belted (it makes no difference). The bullet diameter is what matters plus the speed it is driven at. But nothing beats a 33-caliber bullet diameter for hunting anywhere in the US, including Alaska.

There are all kinds of people who have their favorite cartridge by name, such as .30-06, .300WM, .338WM, 6.5 this and that. You can give it any name you want, but it makes no difference other than that. Gun writers and manufacturers want you to believe otherwise, but that's how guns and ammo sells.

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Well, I`ve already done that...it`s my 7 Wby moving a 160 gn. bullet at close to 3200fps. That cartridge with the right bullet for the game, is good both near and far.

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Originally Posted by CGPAUL
Well, I`ve already done that...it`s my 7 Wby moving a 160 gn. bullet at close to 3200fps. That cartridge with the right bullet for the game, is good both near and far.

Yes, that's good too. The 7mm is popular in Alaska, although not more than the .30-06, .300WM, and .338WM. Friend of mine does quite well during the moose season with his 7mm Magnum and factory ammo.

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Originally Posted by Ray
Originally Posted by huntersdog
Just a fun thread here. smile

I know calibers will very pending on where you live in the US.
What would be you're one caliber, you would pick to hunt all of North Americas medium and big game? Not including Brown or Grizzly's Bear?

Well, I would say any caliber from the .22 to the .30-caliber should be fine, not necessarily short and fat, long, belted and non-belted (it makes no difference). The bullet diameter is what matters plus the speed it is driven at. But nothing beats a 33-caliber bullet diameter for hunting anywhere in the US, including Alaska.

There are all kinds of people who have their favorite cartridge by name, such as .30-06, .300WM, .338WM, 6.5 this and that. You can give it any name you want, but it makes no difference other than that. Gun writers and manufacturers want you to believe otherwise, but that's how guns and ammo sells.
Back in the day the 30-30, 35 Rem, 30-06, 45-70 were some of the main cartridges that put meet in folks freezers for a long time.

I read back some time ago many guy's in AK love the .308, it's light when lugging it around for a day or two at a time.

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Bullets mean more than caliber. That said, I'd take a 7mm or 30 with good bullets.


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Originally Posted by 1Nut
Bullets mean more than caliber. That said, I'd take a 7mm or 30 with good bullets.

What bullets do you use in your hunting rifles? I been using TTSX and TSX .308 bullets

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Gransle Fitze and JY Jones did it with the 30/06. That's what I would use.

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Hunting all over the US means a lot of travel, so I'd go 30-06 since you can buy ammo for it everywhere.


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Originally Posted by huntersdog
Originally Posted by 1Nut
Bullets mean more than caliber. That said, I'd take a 7mm or 30 with good bullets.

What bullets do you use in your hunting rifles? I been using TTSX and TSX .308 bullets


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The correct answer is/was/always will be the .30-06.

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Well....I don't know that I'd ever hunt moose or elk unless I lived where they lived. Too much logistics involved with the meat and so forth, beginning with getting the monster back to the truck.

But I agree, if ya live there, that a lightweight .308 would be good for carryin'. Although a 30-06 mght be better for shootin'. But then ya gotta figure, where there's moose and elk, there might also be something there hunting you! So that gives that 33 cal comment some credence.

I guess.....if I was going to pick a brand spankin new rifle for whatever I might hunt, sub-400 pound game...(I really like the 30-30 and .243)...I'd go with the trend and get a creed of the 6.5 variety, even though a .270 or .308 would likely be a better call for the upper end of that spectrum.

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Any 180 grn. soft point. I used corlokts until now. Cant find them anymore so I bought some Federal 180 soft points that had been pulled from factory ammo for some reason.

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30.06 or 308 Win.

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270 Winchester, 130gr Nosler partition, Duh smile


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28 with a 25 as a second choice.

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Originally Posted by irfubar
270 Winchester, 130gr Nosler partition, Duh smile



That would work for me as well. Pretty much a 7mm... Definitely the round I've killed the most with.


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Probably this, but 270 for me since I don't see a moose in my future. Or a bear.

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The 30/06 is perfection, I however carry the .270 win everywhere and because I am a sheep hunter and offers an little advantage up there on the mountain tops. Ditto to the .280 and the 25/06.Magnifico!

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I haven’t hunted everywhere, but everything I shot in Alaska and Africa and the lower 48 with a 308 died fairly quickly.


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Originally Posted by The_Yetti
between 28 and 30

I'm leaning towards 29 myself.

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Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
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between 28 and 30

I'm leaning towards 29 myself.

You know,the B-29 Creedmoor is also a good choice.


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“Need”! If you are a very proficient hunter... a 22LR will suffice! As that, “did not” accurately describe me, probably a .270 Win. and up. Most likely, bullet selection is more important than caliber! memtb


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Originally Posted by HadsDad
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Sure like to give it a go with an 8x57...mine likes 200gr Hot Cor and Partition bullets pretty much equally.


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270 with 150 NP.


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Originally Posted by Prwlr
270 with 150 NP.


That’s exactly what came to mind for me as well, though my .280 or .30-06 would also do a fine job. Anything in that class with a proper bullet would do the trick nicely.

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My .300 WM has done all I need and made some really tough shots easy.. An 06 would be fine, but ify on some of the longer range stuff.. Most of my hunts where the .300 shined was before knobs and range finders..


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Originally Posted by huntersdog
Just a fun thread here. smile

I know calibers will very pending on where you live in the US.
What would be you're one caliber, you would pick to hunt all of North Americas medium and big game? Not including Brown or Grizzly's Bear?


For 20+ years all I had was a 7mm caliber, RM chamber. Prairie dogs for practice, occasional coyotes, plus antelope, mule deer and elk. The 7mm RM proved to be a good choice as it worked fine.

If I had to go back to a single caliber it would still be a 7mm or .30 caliber.


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.30-06 personally. Its nice to have options though.


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I would go with a 30 cal. Probably 30-06.


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.257 Roberts with 100 or 120gr. Nosler Partition for medium game and .35 Whelen with 225gr. Sierra Game King for larger game.

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.308 or .284 calibers if everything is on the menu.

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If bears are on the menu a 35 Whelen is small as I would consider.


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.358 or Whelen or a 338 magnum.

Not? Any 6.5/7/30 that’ll push 130+ to 2750-3000.

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I answered this question to myself some years ago with a switch barrel rifle equipped with a .270 and a 9.3x62 barrels, just in case the .270 was not enough. I still have not fired the 9.3. The folly of this purchase is that I have a matched pair of Browning Safaris built on the Small ring Mauser action in .243 and .308. This pair will do anything that I am likely to do, using from 55 to 180 bullets. We have few colony varmints on our hunting grounds, and I'm over the hill for chasing big bears. Modern projectiles put the older rounds on steroids.

I have been hunting deer and like size game for about sixty years. I recall making FOUR shots that I could not have pulled off with a .30-30. I have to question why I have all these other rifles. Maybe I'm a little looney. Both Dad and Uncle got along just fine with .30-30s.

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.308... or .308 Winchester if talking about cartridges. With good bullets and modest ranges they will do anything you need them to.


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Originally Posted by Esox357
30.06 or 308 Win.


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Anything from a 260 Remington to a 338 Winchester magnum. I use my 30-06.

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It really doesn't matter. I'm not sure anything is perfect for everything across the board, everything comes with some compromise or other, and yet there are a lot of cartridges that can get it done if we accept a bit of compromise. I think we overthink [bleep]. It's what we do when we don't actually have time to spend doing [bleep].

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.308... or .308 Winchester if talking about cartridges. With good bullets and modest ranges they will do anything you need them to.


I'm really supprised that there aren't more post for the .308 cartridge.

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Anything 7mm-.30 cal in a 51mm case. That's the ticket!


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Are you including Grizzly and Kodiak bear in the Large Game category?

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Are you including Grizzly and Kodiak bear in the Large Game category?

Nope, I posted that in the OP.

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30-06 with a sturdy 165/168, like an E-Tip or TTSX, at 2,850. A 280 with 150gr versions would be fine as well.


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Almost any of approximately 628 cartridges from 24 cal./6mm up to .366 cal./9.3mm made from about 1888 to the present. There's so much ballistic duplication among cartridges it boggles the mind how similar so many are. Bullets? A well designed and cast, cast bullet works as good as anything else until you get to critters that can bite back and even then hardened cast bullets have historically done a pretty fair job.


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30.06 or 308 Win.


Ditto.


Ditto ditto. It would be the 308 for me now 'cause I like light/short. In more practical days, it would have been 30-06 for me.

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I hunt more elk than anything I and have become attached to my 7mm STW and 300 Win Mag but I think a med. fast 6.5mm or up would do for all big game less the bears. The numbers on the 147 ELD-M at 3000-3100 fps are very intriguing.

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Truthfully the caliber is not as important to me as other features.

The accuracy, how the rifle fits me, how quickly I get a perfect sight picture, how quickly I can cycle the action, etc, etc are more important than .264 vs .284 vs .308. A couple hundredths of an inch really really does not mean a bunch to me.

I would be happy with a properly stocked, properly scoped, and accurate rifle chambered in about any somewhat standard cartridge, from 6.5 Swede/6.5-284, to .270, to .308, to 30-06.

All that said, I have a "do it all" rifle. It is chambered in .308, and I would not hesitate to hunt anything in N.A. with it.

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I would go 30 and include big bears without concern... and moose die quite well when 30/06ed, too.


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Sure like to give it a go with an 8x57...mine likes 200gr Hot Cor and Partition bullets pretty much equally.


Mine likes both of those. But, it loves the 195gr Interlock. Especially the discontinued Hornady factory load with the same. That load has plenty of smack for anything that I am ever going to hunt. Truthfully, I wouldn't feel terribly undergunned with it for the big bears.


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Heck, I'll include grizzly bear:

The 30-06 is all I used last year to take: pronghorn, mule deer, elk, black bear, wolf and grizzly...

Just a Rem 700 CDL in 30-06 with an old 2-7x Redfield scope, and handloads in both 165 & 200 gr versions.

Now, please don't tell my wife that I can do it all with that one rifle, 'cause I kinda enjoy hunting with some other rifles time to time.

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I prefer a .35 Whelen. 200 gr. to 250 gr. Various types of bullet heads to choose from. Killed B&C Kodiak Brown Bear in 2006, with one shot using hand loads and 250gr Speer.


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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush


All that said, I have a "do it all" rifle. It is chambered in .308,

It is boringly reliable, boringly accurate, and just plain works.


I feel exactly the same about my Synthetic 700 in (28 cal.), 7mm RM. It also is among my lighter rifles.

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For caliber I'll go 7mm.

For cartridge I'll go 7mm-08 but I could be persuaded to go 7mm Rem Mag.






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I’d take absolutely any standard (non-magnum) cartridge from .257 - .358 cal. My faves include the .25-06, .260 Rem, 6.5x.284 Norma, .270 Win, 7mm-08 Rem, .284 Win, .308 Win, .338 Federal and .35 Whelen.

Given a choice of two short-action rounds, I go .260 Rem and .338 Fed.

Given two long-action rounds, .25-06 and .35 Whelen.

One of each, 7mm-08 and .35 Whelen.

Just one, I choose the classic .270 Win with 130gr bullets, in honor of the great Jack O’Connor.


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I like 280's but in reality a 243 would do.

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.308... or .308 Winchester if talking about cartridges. With good bullets and modest ranges they will do anything you need them to.


I'm really supprised that there aren't more post for the .308 cartridge.



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30-06 and a few cases of 165 NPT's and a fella would be set for anything.

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I prefer 180 grain bullets out of my 30/06.

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280 Rem. or 30-06 Spr.

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.350 rem mag, then you can include the bears you excluded.


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For me either a 6.5 Swede with a 140gr NP or a .308 Win w/ a 165gr NP.


couldn't say it any better... edit ... that is the swede part..

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That works.


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.300 Win, and I won't exclude anything. The Win cartridge isn't an absolute, any of the .300 mags will work as well.


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Prior to my shoulder replacement surgery the answer was 30-06 with 180 Partitions. Today it is 7mm-08 with 140 Partitions.

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Originally Posted by cv540
.350 rem mag, then you can include the bears you excluded.


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I would choose the 338 Win Mag.

I almost dislike the the 338 Win, because in my opinion, it is so good that does the duty of many cartridges smaller and larger. At times, the 338 Win makes me wonder why I have the others. Then I face the reality, I like a variety of rifles and cartridges; and most with considerable overlap.

Though many will work, if narrowed to one cartridge for deer and larger, the 338 Win Mag is my choice.


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I know calibers will very pending on where you live in the US.
What would be you're one caliber, you would pick to hunt all of North Americas medium and big game? Not including Brown or Grizzly's Bear?

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30-06 with 165 gr. TTSX

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7 Rem. Mag with 160 gr. TTSX


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In reality there is not just one caliber that is needed for NA medium and large game. I have a 7mm-08, 300 Win Mag, a 358 Winchester, a 9.3x62 Mauser and a couple of 45-70's, any one of which will work for medium to large game with the right projectile. And, as you can see by the responses, these are so many more calibers that would work just fine. But, the thread is still an interesting read.


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To All,

ImVho, the 9.3x62 Mauser is THE caliber for every big game animal in the Western Hemisphere AND for Africa too, especially if one handloads.
(That "old school caliber" is perfectly suitable with GCCB for coyotes, whitetails, feral hogs, black bear & elk. - My choice for BIG bears, caribou, moose and African/Asian dangerous game is a JSP/solid 286 grain bullet from any of the commercial ammo companies. .- MANY tigers, elephants, rhinos & hippos have been efficiently collected with the 9.3x62 for well over a century.)

Btw, MY favorite big game rifle is a "reformatted" Remington Model 760, that was rechambered/rebored by JES.
That is the rifle that will go to Africa with me in the fall of 2018 for plains game, Cape Buffalo & (hopefully) a leopard. = Money won't buy it & it's in my will.
(My other "pet rifle" is a circa 1954 Model 760 in .300SAV.)

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my previous answer would have been 30-06 for world wide availability. Never had one but have had a 280 remington (traded) and a 338 winchester magnum (hate it!). current thinking i'm leaning towards a 7/08 Remington over the 30/06 because I'm not going anywhere and it will be less recoil in a shorter lighter package.

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If I was the type that worried about OTC ammo availability in the advent mine became lost (I drive everywhere I hunt so DON'T worry about it) I would go with a 30/06 or .308 Winchester as ammo for those two has always been available in every sporting goods store I have EVER gone in.

But seeing as I have no such fears, I would opt for either a 300WSM or 300WM. Can safely and humanly kill ANYTHING in NA with both. IMHO todays superb bullets allow you to kill a lot bigger animals with smaller bullets and a 180-200 grain Nosler AB or similar premium bullet will perform superbly on any NA game animal out to any realistic distance.

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From a versatility standpoint I would have to say 30-06 as well.. Anything from small predators to the larger carnivores the '06 covers all the bases with the right bullet and shot placement. Todays bullet and powder selections makes it almost omnipotent as an all-round cartridge.
That said, I still lean to my .35 Whelen Ai as a go-to Big Game cartridge.



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My grandmother told me when she was first married, she wanted to buy a rifle for my grandfather. This was in 1922 and the gun dealer told her that my grandfather could kill anything in North America with a 30-06. She bought the 30-06.

It seems like over 100 years later, the 30-06 is still capable of the same results, and yet the 6.5 Creedmoor has got the industry twitterpated thinking that something new is better...


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30-06 w/ 180SP's has been doing the trick for me for 30+ years. Have not shot a Grizzly but it's worked fine on Moose, Elk & Mule Deer


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cenrweshot,

Presuming that your rifle has a "twist" that will handle it, a 250 grain .30-06 bullet at 2300FPS is FULLY equal to the "well-regarded in Africa" .318 Westley-Richards.

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Here is one of my favorite articles on the 6.5 comparisons. 6.5 shootout review

Summary - Who Wins?
The .260, 6.5x47, and 6.5 Creedmoor have almost very close ballistic performance. Factory ammunition for the 6.5x47 Lapua is down 100-150 fps versus the .260 and 6.5 Creedmoor, but an experienced reloader with a strong action can match or exceed their performance with hand loads due to the strong case design. I wasn't able to test the 6.5 Creedmoor in an AI-AW like the .260 and 6.5x47. My best guess is that it would match .260 Remington, but the variance would be within what we see barrel to barrel. For the same pressure, the .260 and the 6.5 Creedmoor will have an about 100-125 fps advantage over the 6.5x47 Lapua, with the 140-gr class bullets.
Anyone with a rifle in any one of these three calibers would be silly to ditch a working system to switch to another of them-- they are that similar. Make your choice based on component availability and price.
What will I do? Because of the primer issue in the AI-AW rifles, I get better ballistics from .260 than 6.5x47. I'm going to keep shooting the original Rock Creek / GA Precision .260 barrel until it's toast, and then look at which of .260 or 6.5 Creedmoor has better brass for a cheaper price for the next 6.5 mm barrel.

November 2009 Update!
I'm still shooting my original (2006) .260 Remington barrel on my AI-AW 2.0, and it's still performing great. I used the same gun, barrel, and cartridge to win matches in late Summer 2009 that I used in 2006 to win the Steel Safari. I gave back the Tubb gun in 6.5 Creedmoor (and its owner got rid of the 6.5 Creedmoor barrel), and I sold the 6.5x47 Lapua barrel for my AI-AW.

In the end, neither of these new upstart cartridges did anything for me that the .260 didn't. With the new Reloder 17 powder, I am now launching the 139gr Scenar at just over 2900 fps from my 26" Rock Creek barrel. Some of my associates are shooting a load using this powder at 2980 fps; however, the large firing pin hole in my AI-AW does not allow this.


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Antelope with 130 tsx
Mule deer and white tail with 150 or 165 depending on range expected...
180-200s for elk moose
Loads some 250 gr woodleigh if your in bear country....
Coyotes with 125 gr....
Driven by the good old 30-06. Kinda covers it all...

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According to guides like Shoemaker in Alaska, the 30-06 will handle Brown Bears with the right bullets.

A 110g Vmax at 3.400 to 3,500 is a pretty fair long range varmint round. I have seen guns that will shoot under 1/2" MOA with those bullets.
A 150-180g at 2,800 to 3,100 is a pretty salty deer and Elk.load.

A 200 to 220g Partition will work on bears.

Not too many rounds will do all that with the wide availability of rifles and ammo , efficiency and low recoil of the 30-06.

And if big bears are taken off the list, the .308 is a close second.

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I think for most of us this question isn't answered by logic, or problem solving but over the years if you are a rifle looney we become emotionally attached to certain calibers. For me I don't see not having a 30-06 and a 338 WM. I've shot my 338's so much I forget how mild the 30-06 recoil is. Then my 375 H&H is another one that I can't see doing with out. Just in case I ever get to go back to Africa.


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Recently I downsized to 3 rifles. I kept my 22lr savage, 223 8 twist Tikka T3, and 6.5X55 8 twist Tikka T3. My 22 gets used for grouse, gophers and kids shooting cans out camping. 223 has 2 handloads, the 55 ttsx Barnes for small deer and 55 v-max for gophers and target practice. My 6.5X55 Swede has 2 loads currently, 147 eld RL 26 at 2730 fps that is my eastern Montana load and 130 accubond RL17 at 2920 that I use for the mountainous terrain in western Montana. I am however getting ready to load a 140 hornady sp interlock behind RL 26 and my target velocity will be 2800 ish. If it works out the 140 hornady will replace my 130 accubond load that is propelled by 47 grains of RL17. The accubond load with RL 17 is a solid load so it won't get knocked of its pedestal easily.


While my selection covers all the game I hunt with ease I wouldn't consider it the best for ALL of North America's big game though I'm pretty confident the Swede could get it done in a pinch.



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30 caliber, being a 300wsm/ wm or 30-06 vote going to the 300 if you ever want to drive 200gr bullets.

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