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It's not the shooting. What happened to the 1800gr bullet...😀
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Good luck to the "Feline in the Fedora"!!! I also think that the major issue with the old .303B is the crappy bullets we now have for it. I had a few VERY choice .303s, could shoot pretty well way back then and often carried one at season end as you cannot hurt them short of a cutting torch. We used to hunt old logging roads in the West Kootenays, which had lots of Mulies and some Whitetails and we would hunt, then warmup in the old truck and then hunt and so on. The cutdown 5 shot clips were really handy then and the old CIL KKSP seemed to work as well as anything at the distances we shot at. I have never been much as a Moose hunter, but, have seen a number of clean kills with this combo. We liked the irons in the snowstorms and never even cleaned these rifles until season end.......NOT how I treated the scoped, pristine M-S 1961MCA carbine in 6.5x55 I also had at that time, 50 years ago. BTW, that is NOT a misprint.
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I use the 174 grain Hornady round nose in my 303's pushed by IMR4350 powder. 174 grain is what the military used and it's best to use a slower burning powder to match the old cordite loads that the gun was developed with. That combination shoots a 3 shot group you can cover with a quarter at 100 yards.
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Howdy SNAP! I have quite a few good bullets that I handload for my 303 rifles ranging from old KKSP's to Barnes TSX's The cartridges I have been using this year however are factory, likely 40 years old or better, 180 grain C.I.L. Sabre Tips . A friend gave me two boxes that his father had so I told him I would use them for my animals this year . So far just two white tails but they are very accurate out of my custom Ruger . :>) I am not crazy about the Barnes bullets ,( they're accurate )but grab every box of 303 bullets I find just because!
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scopes are cool, but slings 'n' irons RULE!
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What about the 35 Whelen?
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I like the 35 Whelen. Actually a fan of most cartridges off the 06 case.
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I like the 35 Whelen. Actually a fan of most cartridges off the 06 case. You should build a 303-06.
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NO I hate that 311. Besides thats pretty homosexual
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Zero, but were I to go hunt Moose, I'd carry one of the below plus a spare from that list:
50-110 WCF Turnbull '86, 700 gr grease groove bullet 50-90 Sharps, 750 gr grease groove bullet 45-110 Sharps, 530 gr paper patch bullet 400 Whelen 400 gr Woodleigh 9.3x62mm, 320 gr Woodleigh 35 Whelen, 250 gr Partition
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I killed my first moose last month with a .300 Winchester using 180-grain Accubonds. Worked great! Next time I go I'll bring my .338 Winchester with 225-grain Accubonds, just because I like trying different guns. 🤗
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These have been used in old Winchesters: 33WCF-1886 338-06 35 Whelen 348 348-AI 450 Alaskan
Last bull moose killed in the AK interior with a Winchester M-71 348 Ackley. (Parker Ackley liked this cartridge-it delivered) Using a 270 gr Hawk FP bullet; In many parts of Alaska-Canada, bears including grizzly show up around the area of the innard pile. A fast handling heavy lever action is becoming popular with guides. Rifles and cartridges are like wives and girl friends: personal choices that you will live with. Early pre-64 Model 70s and pre-war Model 71s are controlled round reliable. E. Keith was right: 338 and above. Bears only become dangerous when they are close: hence dangerous game rifle. Like a 450 or 50 Alaskan if you know something large has taken over or buried part of your moose not packed immediately back.
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1 1/2 year old Bull 358 WSM 225gr Swift A Frame - Excellent 11 point Newfie Bull 35 Whelen 225gr Nosler Partition - Excellent
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It's British, what do you expect?
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I’ve killed 5 with a Whelen using 200 TTSXs and 225 TSXs. They’ve proven exceptional. I’ve killed 2 with a .358 Norma and 225 TSXs. Couldn’t ask for better terminal performance. I’ve taken one moose with a 7 STW and 120 TSXs and have no reservations with that combination. I killed a bull a few years ago with a 7 SAUM using 162 A-Max bullets, and it crushed him. I’ve participated in another few dozen bulls taken with a host of cartridges from .223 to .375 H&H and a bunch stops in between. Getting the bull out of the field is a lot harder than getting him on the ground...
Suck bullets simply suck.
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I just found my Parker Hale 303 to be lacking in too many area's. My experiences as a young man really soured me on the cartridge, Perhaps other have used it with different result. I think it is a lousy round for large heavy game. Agreed.
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300wsm 168TTSX 338RCM 180TTSX 338RCM 200AB
All worked pretty well 1&3 were single shots. #2 was three shots, but all three went in in about 5 seconds at about 15 foot range. The moose was dead after the first, it took the second two to find enough bone to get him to the ground. There have been a few threads about "is a fixed 6 good for close shots?" Well at 15 feet on a moose its all fur. It was an exciting few seconds.
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It's British, what do you expect? So are the .375H&H, the .450NE, the finest shotguns made anywhere, the majority of the greatest African professional hunters, WDM Bell, the jet engine, railways, the most politically influential government system in history, the majority language of commerce, diplomacy and civilization and the stopping of slavery in civilized regions and nations. I could go on, but, why bother, the British, hardly have to prove anything and such remarks are simply ludicrous. I would bet one of my P-64 Mod. 70s, that MORE big and dangerous game, say Grizzlies here in BC, Lions in Africa and Tigers in India, have been killed by the great .303 British than by any other round of it's size and power. I knew several real "mountain men" who used it exclusively here in BC, to kill a LOT of game, many Grizzlies included and even guided Texans!
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Snap, you said a mouthful there! Truth too. The 303 has the distinction of having proven itself on every continent. It has seen more battlefields than any rifle in history, and is so well thought of the Taliban still use them today. The best hunters I ever knew were a couple of Cree old timers that worked for my dad back in the 70s. One of them carried a 303, the other a winy 94. Without question those two guys killed more game in their lives than any 10 guys on here combined. They were smart enough to realize that if they put the bullet in the right spot they had meat....every time.
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7 STW,
Fwiw, The Brits drink warm beer solely because they only have LUCAS & SMITH'S refrigerators. (You have to have owned a British sports car to truly understand that comment.)
We used to say that the Brits had a hard time building anything UNLESS they could figure out how to get it to leak oil.
yours, tex
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Yeah, all those crappy British cars, Rolls-Royce, Aston-Martin, Jaguar XK-140, Bentley, Daimler------toss em all, give me a Corvair Monza, an Edsel or a Pinto, maybe even a Gremlin........
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