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Measuring Group size..... and using a reticle as a measuring device to gauge hits/misses/wind/etc.... have nothing to do with each other.

These are actual field conversations..... involving Mil vs. MOA.

Spotter: that hit about a half mil low.... and maybe add another .1 or .2 in wind.
Shoot: adding .5 mil..... holding an extra .2 in right wind.
Spotter: HIT!

Vs.

Spotter: that hit about a foot low and 4” left.
Shooter: Ok..... that’s 600 yards, so 1 MOA equals 6” at that range. Devide the 12” by 6”, that equals 2 MOA adjustment. Add 2 MOA.... holding an extra 4” (I think) of wind.
Spotter: It’s long gone bro......

Another benefit of the mil system is that the reticle can be used as an intuitive BDC reticle. For example, a 308 with 165-168s at around 2700-2750 and zeroed at the right distance will line up the dots quite nicely: 1 mil = 300 yards, 2 mil = 400, 3 mil = 500. Flatter shooting cartridges can be zeroed with 1 mil @ 350, 2 mil @ 450. An MOA reticle doesn't work nearly as smoothly in this regard.

Yup, and no sending off for a new dial when you move the scope to another rifle or change your load.

What optic is the spotter using to determine mils?

I agree. I really can't even use the fine cross marks. I like the scopes, though.

A spotting scope or binos with a reticle.

Or the spotter's rifle with a mil scope.

Spotting your own shots through your own scope is pretty fuggin easy too.... If you let it be.

A lot of that has to do with not being overgunned, over X'd, and good shooting form and follow through. Wish I had a dollar for everytime I've heard...there's no way I can shoot that far and see my impacts with a 6x-10x. Doesn't take a full mag for them to see the light and walk their shots in with minor corrections if need be.

Though the Lone Wolf Mcquade spotting technique is used by true bad azzes.

The more appropriate comparison between mils and mins is this:

Spotter: That hit half a mil low and 2 tenths right
Shooter: Adjusting up .5 and left .2
Spotter: HIT!


Spotter: That hit 2 minutes low and about a minute and a half right
Shooter: Adjusting up 2 minutes and left 1 1/2 min
Spotter: HIT!

In case you didn't catch it, the difference is whether you prefer to think, talk, and adjust in tenths or in halves (A minute is the base, then half a minute, then half a half is a quarter. See?).

Personally I find some folks are more tempted to switch to inches when they're looking at and adjusting in minutes. That's a problem, for reasons covered previously and MANY times on the forum here. Maybe mils help break that habit? I'm not sure that's the case, but _maybe_(?).

When guys start talking mils, it's because there are delineations on the reticle being used. Not always true with MOA as some yahoo is bound to show up with a standard duplex which is typically when the inches and feet wind calls start coming out.

But yeah, I'd agree that mils is enough of a head change to break away from the inches wind calls.

This is the method I use.^^^^^^^

Millennial.....grin....

I'm sure Dog knows the breakdown of minutes and maybe worded or structured that post wrong MZ5. I think he was trying to make the same point as you are in that keeping "inches" out of any correction verbiage keeps simple things....simple.

I agree with you, joshf303. My post was intended not to contradict, but to elaborate. There’s nothing magic about the unit of measure used. Thus, neither mils nor mins are ‘better.’ So long as you:

Stick with angular measure rather than linear,
Use either a FFP reticle or a fixed-power scope,
Use a scope with a regularly-marked reticle, and
Use a scope whose adjustments match those reticle marks

Then it makes no difference what units you use. Too bad nobody makes durable, lightweight, compact, low-profile scopes that meet those criteria.

99.9% of the time I shoot by myself, so a spotter is not even in the equation.

Shoot, spot, dial to the impact, and shoot again, no measuring involved.

Does everyone need someone to tell them when to send it.......

Leave the math out. Match the reticle to the turret. Spot your own shots.

bout sums it up....

I'd say so.