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Without getting to fondle any , is there any that are buttery smooth?
I have one rifle built on a stiller and it's far from smooth. Borden actions are one of the smoothest I've ever cycled!
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Without getting to fondle any , is there any that are buttery smooth?
I have one rifle built on a stiller and it's far from smooth. Borden actions are one of the smoothest I've ever cycled! Both of my Borden's are like butter.
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Both of my Borden's are like butter.
My Timberline was very rough. It took a lot of polishing to smooth it up.
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i have been around three borden actions two of my own and a friends....all are extremely smooth
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I bought 2 more Defiance actions, they are quality pieces. I would have tried a Borden action but he wanted an extra $300 (If I remember correctly) for a CM action vs a 416 stainless action. He was building them from 18-8 or 17-4 but then switched to 416 which is probably the most machinable of the stainless steels but not necessarily the strongest. Glen made me several CM actions with no bump in price. I would like to try a Borden, I just have to decide I don't mind a 416 action.
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I bought 2 more Defiance actions, they are quality pieces. I would have tried a Borden action but he wanted an extra $300 (If I remember correctly) for a CM action vs a 416 stainless action. He was building them from 18-8 or 17-4 but then switched to 416 which is probably the most machinable of the stainless steels but not necessarily the strongest. Glen made me several CM actions with no bump in price. I would like to try a Borden, I just have to decide I don't mind a 416 action. The first actions were 15-5 not sure how many were made before he switched! I think BAT are made of 17-4.
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Whatever has integral rails or bases...And preferably with integral recoil lug as well. I chose the Defiance Deviant because of the integral rail and lug, the mini 16 extractor (as opposed to a Sako style) and the plethora of options available at no extra charge. They also told me that if I didn't like the action for any reason at any time I could return it on their dime and they would make any mods I wanted. It is a pretty smooth action to boot. I got a nice discount on a group buy so it was a no brainer. I couldn't be happier.
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Whatever has integral rails or bases...And preferably with integral recoil lug as well. I chose the Defiance Deviant because of the integral rail and lug, the mini 16 extractor (as opposed to a Sako style) and the plethora of options available at no extra charge. They also told me that if I didn't like the action for any reason at any time I could return it on their dime and they would make any mods I wanted. It is a pretty smooth action to boot. I got a nice discount on a group buy so it was a no brainer. I couldn't be happier. Hope you are enjoying that Defiance. What did you end up using it for?
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6.5 SAUM 26" sendero contour Brux with brake, in an Edge fill McMillan A5.
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I would like to see a double square bridge mauser machined for claw mounts. Satterlee does this but the actions are more than most of my rifles. Most actions will smooth up with some polishing and cycling so the out of the box feel isn't that critical to me. Actions with a false lug or rail like a Winchester will be smoother usually or at least after polishing or honing. The Mausinfield is an interesting action and looks to be ideal for a big game rifle. It can have the Savage lug if you want a switch barrel. I think a best buy is a barreled action from Shilen. The current DGA is a Stiller with some improvements and the Remage lug option.
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6.5 SAUM 26" sendero contour Brux with brake, in an Edge fill McMillan A5. Those are all nice components, none of which are a custom action.
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I bought 2 more Defiance actions, they are quality pieces. I would have tried a Borden action but he wanted an extra $300 (If I remember correctly) for a CM action vs a 416 stainless action. He was building them from 18-8 or 17-4 but then switched to 416 which is probably the most machinable of the stainless steels but not necessarily the strongest. Glen made me several CM actions with no bump in price. I would like to try a Borden, I just have to decide I don't mind a 416 action. I understand steel grades. What is your aversion to 416 as long as the action performs satisfactorily?
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6.5 SAUM 26" sendero contour Brux with brake, in an Edge fill McMillan A5. Those are all nice components, none of which are a custom action. He’s using a Defiance Deviant action.
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Picatinnys are not needed, but handy if you change scopes often...
Drilling the receiver for a mount is a cost cutting measure..
Drilled receivers allow an owner flexibility to change between mounting systems. (while changing scopes in the past , at times I also changed the mount) and for the person who chooses to get custom snug machined-fit mount fasteners and equal quality fit mounts to team up with a precision action, it aint one of the cheap options. We could agree to disagree A double squared mauser fitted for Talley mounts, I dont see the need for flexibility of changing mounting systems in the future. And getting custom made bases precision fitted to a "round bar" is expensive... I´ll give you that! However the action manufacturer should have done it right the first time. Machining the action for a integral mounts and recoil lug does not take a lot of extra time or expense in materials. Most choose to cut cost.. There is a long way up to a $4-5000 M98 action. Who did your double square bridge mauser?
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I like both my Pierce CM and Ti models. I've had 3 Stillers and mine were smooth. The Bordens are very nice. I've used several brands of BR receivers. Presently I have a couple Bats, but prefer the Kelbly Panda for BR. I've had Farley,Benchmaster, Old DGA Shilen, the old receiver by Glen Harrison in Washington State.
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6.5 SAUM 26" sendero contour Brux with brake, in an Edge fill McMillan A5. Those are all nice components, none of which are a custom action. He’s using a Defiance Deviant action. I see I spoke out of ignorance. Apologies to Sambo. Thank you to Kimber7 for correcting me.
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I've used Defiance, Borden, Stiller and Pierce on various rifles and, at this stage in the game, Defiance would be my choice for a 700-style action.
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Butchlambert: Its a pair of BRNO ZG-47.. I´m using Alaska Arms mounts instead of Talleys.
But if I did not find these, I would have gone custom M98 instead.
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Been out of town for cataract surgery. Alaska Arms makes nice rings. I have one set for my CZ550 in 458 Lott and another pair on my 416 Rigby on a mod17 Enfield. This is my Enfield in work. It uses the CZ type scope base.
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Been out of town for cataract surgery. Alaska Arms makes nice rings. I have one set for my CZ550 in 458 Lott and another pair on my 416 Rigby on a mod17 Enfield. This is my Enfield in work. It uses the CZ type scope base.
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