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Kind of blows the "made in Portugal" crowd out of the water.
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I guess I find it odd that some factory rounds did chamber and shoot and now other "new" factory rounds won't chamber at all?
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Kind of blows the "made in Portugal" crowd out of the water. I'd take that classic, even with a bad chamber, WAY before I would buy a Portugese model 70.. Just sayin...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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You really can't blame the current Winchester for not wanting to back previously manufactured rifles. If you just took over a company, would want to be in the hook for all the guns built over the last 150 years. They probably have to back everything for a certain time, unfortunately for the OP, his ran out. I have been told, automakers have to parts support their products for a certain time.
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You really can't blame the current Winchester for not wanting to back previously manufactured rifles. If you just took over a company, would want to be in the hook for all the guns built over the last 150 years. They probably have to back everything for a certain time, unfortunately for the OP, his ran out. I have been told, automakers have to parts support their products for a certain time. They should back it up or change their fu cking name.... Something like Portuguese Arms or something....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Kind of blows the "made in Portugal" crowd out of the water. I'd take that classic, even with a bad chamber, WAY before I would buy a Portugese model 70.. Just sayin... Ditto... You really can't blame the current Winchester for not wanting to back previously manufactured rifles. If you just took over a company, would want to be in the hook for all the guns built over the last 150 years. They probably have to back everything for a certain time, unfortunately for the OP, his ran out. I have been told, automakers have to parts support their products for a certain time. They should back it up or change their fu cking name.... Something like Portuguese Arms or something.... Well, it isn't really Winchester - it's Browning Arms Co. that owns it now.. Not sure I'd blame them for not standing behind something they had nothing to do with back in those years.. (ala Dillonbuck said) Sure sounds like a chamber that is cut out of spec. A go/no guage set should indicate if this chamber is cut properly in short order. In any case, it sounds like a couple thousandth's deeper cut with the finish reamer and a little polishing should take care of it. IMO Of course, this advice is worth exactly what you paid for it. Bob Yep - could be that... FWIW, it can also be ammo that's out of spec.. I've run into THAT a few times..
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Well the only thing good I can say about Winchester is that the supervisor called back. And sung the same old broken record: basically I am screwed. They will not stand behind any G series Model 70 and don't care if it blows up....not their fault. So if you have one of these, pray you don't need help cause you ain't gonna get it. Screw Winchester and through my contacts in the local gun market, this will cost them a whole lot more money than fixing this.
Thanks to all above who have offered ideas and help. I really appreciate it.
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Good for you. I would phugk em as hard as I could, too. I don't care who owns the company now. It still says Winchester out front. And if you want to get the good that comes with that, well you better be willing to accept some of the bad. Otherwise, change the marquis to Browning. Just sayin.
One thing a lot of American companies don't understand. Bad press on the internet is like nuclear waste..It NEVER goes away. Any google search on Winchester and another keyword or 2 is going to find this thread 10-15-20 years from now.
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Well the only thing good I can say about Winchester is that the supervisor called back. And sung the same old broken record: basically I am screwed. They will not stand behind any G series Model 70 and don't care if it blows up....not their fault. So if you have one of these, pray you don't need help cause you ain't gonna get it. Screw Winchester and through my contacts in the local gun market, this will cost them a whole lot more money than fixing this.
Thanks to all above who have offered ideas and help. I really appreciate it. The reason Winchester will not service the "G" series rifles is that of product liability insurance issues or lack of on rifles they did not build. Savage Arms had the same policy after emerging from bankruptcy, which was any rifle with an "F" serial number prefix or earlier could not be serviced by Savage. Doc
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So today I took bolt apart and cleaned and oiled it. Nothing of note inside except it was DRY. Really cleaned barrel with emphasis on chamber area....really dirty....so I tried to load it....fired brass not sized I bought used will not chamber...the 2 emptys from the other day will... factory loaded rounds will chamber and the bolt can be forced down....will have to shoot it again to find out what happens now. Will advise...but it will be a few days. Thanks for help ASSUMING the chamber is a few thou short is there any reason you aren't just taking a couple of thou off your full length die.
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color one of the bullets with a black sharpie and try chambering the round and see if bullet making contact with the rifling. If so try seating bullet deeper. Not the right answer but at least it gets you closer to figuring out the issue and your next step in fixing it. If you decide to sell it let me know 😁
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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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The saga is complete. UPS just delivered it to me after 2 weeks at Midwest Gun Works in Mo. They adjusted the headspace and voila! It now chambers the 200 gn. as well, obviously, as all the others. Now to remount the scope and hit the range. Thanks to all who offered help and ideas. This is what makes this forum great!
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I had a similar issue with a similar vintage model 70 and discovered a ring-shaped part of a cartridge neck had broken off and was still sitting in the neck of the chamber. I couldn't see it until I put a scope in the barrel, but ubsequent rounds would not go into the chamber fully, held back about 1/8" by the little ring of brass sitting in the chamber neck.
Good luck with it and tell us what you find!
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He already did. See the post just above yours.
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I'm glad to see you got the issue resolved.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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