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Jim: Here's a link that explains the rimfire version of Precision rifle PRS Link..ELEY is the title sponsor of this, but there are many events popping up around the country. The Ruger rifle is a platform that is ready to go, assuming quality optics and finding the right ammo that the gun likes.


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I never heard of this but after reading that article have to say that's pretty slick. Wind is always the bugaboo for long range shooting so I like how they match up ranges for same-same wind drift for the .22 and .308. I know when shooting at the 200 yard rams a small change in wind speed will drift the bullet completely off target.

Nice to see various positions involved as well. I know they still do that with NRA bullseye type matches but AFAIK around here that's only done by a dedicated few people. Something like this might draw in more folks and with limited space for shooting ranges around the country folks can get their long range and wind reading practice in a more limited area.

Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.


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There's nothing "precision" about that rifle. Ugly does not = precision.


How in the F#ck do you know that Einstein?

You haven't shot one.


Not every rifle can be as overrated and over priced as a Cooper.


How do I know that? Maybe 15 years of competing in rimfire benchrest matches, being in the IR50/50 Hall of Fame and working with a top rimfire gunsmith testing the precision rifles that he built that went on to win National Championships and breaking World Records taught me something about it.

A true precision .22 will have a very light match trigger (Jewell, Flavio Fare, Bix'n Andy, Anschutz), match grade, hand taper-lapped barrel (Shilen, Mueller, Benchmark, Lilja etc) a true match chamber and most will have a barrel tuner like a Harrell's tuner, a trued action with great and consistent ignition (Anschutz, Turbo, Stiller 2500X, 10x etc).

The Ruger might be a fun and decent rifle but precision, I don't think so. Notice, no where is there an expected accuracy statement. As for the Coopers, mine is almost as accurate as a my benchrest rifles and the quality is superb. Mine is an early 57M and it's a real shooter. Neither over-rated nor over-priced (at least not when I bought mine, they have gone up quite a bit).


If you actually are in ANY Benchrest hall of fame- (which is doubtful) they seriously need to raise their standards. smile

Not mention that you ever having shot benchrest has absolutely NO BEARING on the true capabilites of a rifle that you have never even shot.

Ruger designed the gun to be a trainer for their centerfire precision rifle which is a damned accurate rifle. Actually as accurate as anything Cooper has ever built.

Try checking your elitist stupidity at the door .



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You may want to pay attention to Cooper57M. Ruger and precision do not go hand in hand. May be OK for the kids playing Army or a tin can shooter.

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We picked up some sort of Tasco Varmint Rimfire scope at the local gun show after that and to make a long story short - the little thing does shoot. It's a tiny bit more ammo sensitive than my 1958 Brno Model 5, but when fed almost anything from CCI the little Ruger American will run neck and neck with the old Brno and that's pretty good.



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Nice to see you chiming in here with both you polite good humor AND actual experinces with the new Rugers. As always it is refreshing. I hope you are having a great Holiday Season and are staying warm up in BC. smile

That part of your post above stuck out as mirroring my own experiences . I've owned a sample ot two of just about every rimfire bolt sporter made in the last 100 years. Of those ,over a dozen of those have been a mix of BRNO model 1,2 and 4s along with tge more recent CZ 452 rifles. The Czech guns have been solidly accurate and well made.They have earned my respect compared to other guns.

Given that right out of the box ,my 2016 CZ m452 American 22LR shoots as well as any BRNO I have ever owned , it is a keeper. But based on the way the rifle shoots, so is my humble little $220 RAR 22" sporter.

Like you, I found that accoss the board the CZ shot more brands more accurately than the Ruger, by only about 10% in actual group size. I believe that is mostly due to the tighter Euro rimfire bore specs and shorter semi match chamber that CZ has always put in their 22 LRs.

With it's preferred brand of ammo the Ruger equals the CZ. The CZ likes SK Jagd Standard Plus and the Ruger likes the Norma Tac -22. Fed properly both shoot evtremely well for sub $500, 6lb sporters. Someday I will get around to shooting some Oympic Match grade $10-$20 per box stuff in them just to see what happens. But until then they fine as they are.

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I think this issue is about like defining "porn." Words can not characterize it, but I recognize it when I see it.

Maybe those units will shoot, and I've not read any reviews. They are absolutely butt ugly in my book, and I can't see them being a very pleasant unit to pack around. No character either. Put 10 of them in a pile, and one would have to read the serial numbers to figure out which was his.

I've wished for years that Ruger would come out with a #1 V match chambered in 22RF.

I'll pass.

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Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
Okay, don't y'all jump on me. I don't keep up with all the cutting edge trends in the firearms world so this is an honest question - what is this thing used for?

I get centerfire precision rifles, they're basically modernized "chassified" versions of the older wood stocked position rifles that have been around for decades with combs adjustable for height and buttplates adjustable for cant and LOP. These centerfire precision rifles are cambered for calibers useful for very long range shooting - high BC bullets and moderate to low recoil.

But a .22 LR? There used to be lots and lots of position rifles in .22 but they were used for bullseye matches at close to moderate range where one rifle could be used for offhand, kneeling, sitting and prone. I'm not seeing a lot of those matches today, and when someone wants to shoot at long range they do it off of a bench or prone with a bipod.

Now I've shot 200 yard .22 silhouette but did very well with a box stock Ruger 10/22 16" tactical and an SWFA scope, didn't need anything too fancy for that.

So, are people now shooting .22's out to 400-600 yards?

I'm not criticizing or sneering at the rifle and I'm always glad to see more choices, but I am curious just exactly what one would use this for?


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I thought it was for those who couldn't handle the recoil of their 6.5 Ruger precision rifle

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Basis my experience with Ruger rimfires, Ruger and precision don’t belong in same sentence.


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Originally Posted by dale06
Basis my experience with Ruger rimfires, Ruger and precision don’t belong in same sentence.


My Rugers have been giving me some pretty impressive groups lately. Both of my bone stock 77/22s (one mag and one LR) will go under a half inch at 50 yards with their favorite ammo. My American target 22LR gave me a group of about .35 at 50 yards. Perhaps the biggest surprise of all is how much my 10/22 magnum which I recently found LOVES 30 grain V max bullets. This rifle spent 3 days in saltwater muck following Hurricane Katrina. I rinsed it in a freshwater lake and hosed it down with WD-40 and didn't give it a good tear down cleaning for about 6 months. The trigger is horrible. I put a new scope on it the other day and took it to the range last week. It gave me ragged hole 3 shot groups at 50 yards and an estimated 3/4 inch group at 100.

That may not amount to precision in your book, but I'd say it's darn fine accuracy. The ugly Ruger Precision Chassis rifles are ridiculously accurate, so Ruger may be on to something here. I'll wait and see. I have a hunch they'll hang with any other $450 rimfire. Have you ever fired a Ruger target rimfire?

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Well, I did have a very accurate 10-22, but it had only the bare receiver that was Ruger. We were testing 10-22 barrels in Shilen's shop many years ago and I inherited the best barrel that shot that day. I had one of the first Jewell trigger's that Arnold produced for a short time.I had some type synthetic stock on it and a 3X9 Zeiss on it.
I gave it to Nez Rongero, the AR guru in Austin, Texas. It was an accurate rifle with either Eley Black box or Aguila SE sub sonic.

I will agree with the feller that said his CZ452 was accurate and his Brno. I made 2oz CZ452 triggers early on.
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I had a couple real nice BR rimfire customs, but couldn't afford the time or money to compete as I was seriously shooting BR matches at the time. I think my Mod37 Remingtons are as accurate a factory rifle that I have shot.

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This is the game the new Ruger was made for. It ain't benchrest.

https://youtu.be/aTgjtn625zo

The video below was made in 2008.

A lot has changed since then, both at Ruger and in the World of Riflery in general.

If anything ,the market for such guns is MUCH larger. I think the actual performance of guns like the centerfire Ruger Precision rifle has proven they can build guns that will work for that market. We will see. smile

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I will most likely end up with one. Just because. You know, addiction. Been playing alot with a 513T and 455 Varmint. About my speed and skill level. I have my own little rimfire range 40 ft from my door. Good for a recent retiree to play. Yes, it's about sales, but fun.


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Doubt if I'll get one. No folding stock and a too short rail......

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and it won't do anything this'un will do......

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Actually the new Ruger does have one feature your rifle does not.

It has a AR style barrel nut system so barrels can be changed out.

But unlike your rifle, it won't cost over $1,000...:)

Congradulations?

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Most rifle competitions will turn into an arms race. Those wanting to win the most will seek out the best equipment that will give them the winning edge. If that means spending $1k, $2K or $3K on an accurate rifle, serious shooters will line-up with their wallets open. And - - - there is nothing wrong with that. That is how rifle accuracy is advanced. If everyone would be willing to settle for competing only with a cheaper rifle or were unwilling to pay the price for real precision equipment, the art of the rifle would never advance. So yes, if that more expensive rifle is more likely to make you win, or, if shooting the smallest groups or highest scores possible gives you pleasure, then, yes, congratulations are in order. Congratulations on making the commitment to seeking the highest levels of accuracy achievable.

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Originally Posted by jk16
But unlike your rifle, it won't cost over $1,000...:)

Congradulations?


It was well under $1000. And I don't care if mine don't have AR barrel nuts

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Originally Posted by huntsman22
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My precision rifle: Stiller 2500X action, Rock Creek Barrel, Harrel Harmonic Tuner, Meredith Stock, Sightron 36X scope and Ahrens one piece rest.

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