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Originally Posted by KeithNyst
Originally Posted by 99guy
In addition to the checkering pattern being different the forearm is wider and flatter on the bottom of an "RT". If you have one of each in hand you can notice a distinct difference in the dimensions of the forearm. There was an old thread a few years ago where Phill99 (Rod) took the time to measure the dimension of the 2 forearms with a caliper and there were marked differences.

Maybe somebody with better 24hourcampfire skills than I have can find that old thread.

They are really cool guns and a mystery lost to history, which makes them double cool IMO. cool


I think this is it: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...s/8001715/The_99_RT_What_do_we_know_for_



That's it.

Can't believe that was 4 1/2 years ago. Wonder what ever happened to Rod? Kind of miss him.

Hope he is OK


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I check in from time to time, but not as often as I should. Doing fine, for the most part. Nice to see this discussion of the RT; it's still one of my favorite varieties of the 99.

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Good to hear from you Rod.

Glad you are well.

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Thanks guys, I appreciate the education!


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Wow, those rifles are in excellent condition for their age.

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Randy, I clicked on Rods profile and it said he was here yesterday?


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Oops, Hi Rod, I see you are here, Joe.


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The red bead sight on the T is actually a replacement and not the original. I keep my eyes open for an original but have only been finding hens teeth. Some days I can post on the forum and some days I can't. I hate computers!


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I had one in 30 30 with original tag. Tag was stamped 99 T then overstamped EG and then stamped again EG. Why I don't know......confusion at the factory? It was in the 431XXX range. 22" barrel. There is an old thread here somewhere. Seems to be too many to be explained by simple parts use up. Rod's measurement data on the forearm supports a sub model.


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Originally Posted by Jaaack
RT is a made up name which was concocted by this forum, I believe. Savage never cataloged an RT. David Royal's book has info on the RT on pgs. 83 &84. As of 8/28/2016 Rick 99 had data on 24 RT rifles in varying calibers and barrel lengths. There is no concrete info, that I know of, about why Savage made this variation which was made close to the time that Savage was about to move the plant from Utica to Chicopee Falls. It is clear to me from Rick's info that some, if not all, of these rifles were made up from barrels that Savage must have had in stock and were trying to use up before the move. That does not explain the reason for the different forearm style, however. Were these a special order for a distributor or ??? We don't know.

I'm no expert but it does appear that a variant exists from the factory. Why? Who knows? Not advertised, cataloged, etc. Yet they exist. Gotta call it something I guess, though doesn't appear much data exists. I read overstamped 99T/EG hang tag?? Yet it is called an RT.
For me, I go where the data leads and resist the temptation for conclusion, digging in and defending it until enough data is available.
Some of the irony is that somewhere in the '80's a fellow named Murray decided to begin to unravel a large ball of tangled string call "Savage 99". As he did he came up with more and more models and variants than was previously known or in print anywhere.
Here on this forum I read things that sometime tend to lump things back together to avoid "confusion" and create variants to suite their needs. The RT is a prime example, as is calling a 250-3000 type II a 99G and totally discounting the existence of 1920 1899A & 1899B that are cataloged, advertised and do letter, both of which I read here.
Confusion? What about the 99C, 99E & 99F all of which have multiple models?
It seems that part of Collector forums purpose is to identify and document new things rather than lump them together.
JMO.


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This forum is not the Savage 99 police or Savage 99 policy makers or Savage 99 name makers or Savage 99 un-cataloged variant identifiers.

Just some guys that share an interest in collecting and talking about Savages. Sometimes we make up names for uncommon variants or anomalies so we all know what the other is talking about.

You can call an "RT" a "baloney sandwich" if you want to. So long as we all know what the other is talking about. What difference does it make?

What we do and talk about here really isn't that important.

I wouldn't read any more or any less than that into it...

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Discipline is getting pretty lax around here.

Next thing you know we'll be calling them Weaver mounts tip overs or something.


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Originally Posted by Southern_WI_Savage
Originally Posted by Jaaack
RT is a made up name which was concocted by this forum, I believe. Savage never cataloged an RT. David Royal's book has info on the RT on pgs. 83 &84. As of 8/28/2016 Rick 99 had data on 24 RT rifles in varying calibers and barrel lengths. There is no concrete info, that I know of, about why Savage made this variation which was made close to the time that Savage was about to move the plant from Utica to Chicopee Falls. It is clear to me from Rick's info that some, if not all, of these rifles were made up from barrels that Savage must have had in stock and were trying to use up before the move. That does not explain the reason for the different forearm style, however. Were these a special order for a distributor or ??? We don't know.

I'm no expert but it does appear that a variant exists from the factory. Why? Who knows? Not advertised, cataloged, etc. Yet they exist. Gotta call it something I guess, though doesn't appear much data exists. I read overstamped 99T/EG hang tag?? Yet it is called an RT.
For me, I go where the data leads and resist the temptation for conclusion, digging in and defending it until enough data is available.
Some of the irony is that somewhere in the '80's a fellow named Murray decided to begin to unravel a large ball of tangled string call "Savage 99". As he did he came up with more and more models and variants than was previously known or in print anywhere.
Here on this forum I read things that sometime tend to lump things back together to avoid "confusion" and create variants to suite their needs. The RT is a prime example, as is calling a 250-3000 type II a 99G and totally discounting the existence of 1920 1899A & 1899B that are cataloged, advertised and do letter, both of which I read here.
Confusion? What about the 99C, 99E & 99F all of which have multiple models?
It seems that part of Collector forums purpose is to identify and document new things rather than lump them together.
JMO.



So, Rick, what would you call the model collectively known as the RT? Where does the data lead you?


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Originally Posted by 99guy
This forum is not the Savage 99 police or Savage 99 policy makers or Savage 99 name makers or Savage 99 un-cataloged variant identifiers.

Just some guys that share an interest in collecting and talking about Savages. Sometimes we make up names for uncommon variants or anomalies so we all know what the other is talking about.

You can call an "RT" a "baloney sandwich" if you want to. So long as we all know what the other is talking about. What difference does it make?

What we do and talk about here really isn't that important.

I wouldn't read any more or any less than that into it...

JMO

Screw that... There's quite a few guys on here that go to great lengths to find the facts and dig into things to find the truth.

No place else even comes close to expanding the knowledge base for Savage.

Does everybody on here agree on every point? No. It's the Internet, after all.


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If I remember correctly, when JTC was asked many years back, about what we now refer to as the "RT" he stated that Savage advertised (cataloged) the EG and the R and that it was not an EG. The only problem with that statement is that the catalogs used in 1943, 1944 and 1945, the years the "RT's" were produced were the same as used in 1942. What we need are the 1943-1945 price sheets which I don't have nor remember seeing.

I suspect that it is an R variation of the time.I have no problem calling it an "RT". When I hear or see the term I know what the item is without going into a lengthy description and I like that. I would like to see other models (99-C, 99-F, etc.) nick named so it would be easier to determine what model variation we are talking about.

...and the Second version Model 250-3000 is not a G. smile


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Originally Posted by Calhoun
Originally Posted by 99guy
This forum is not the Savage 99 police or Savage 99 policy makers or Savage 99 name makers or Savage 99 un-cataloged variant identifiers.

Just some guys that share an interest in collecting and talking about Savages. Sometimes we make up names for uncommon variants or anomalies so we all know what the other is talking about.

You can call an "RT" a "baloney sandwich" if you want to. So long as we all know what the other is talking about. What difference does it make?

What we do and talk about here really isn't that important.

I wouldn't read any more or any less than that into it...

JMO

Screw that... There's quite a few guys on here that go to great lengths to find the facts and dig into things to find the truth.

No place else even comes close to expanding the knowledge base for Savage.

Does everybody on here agree on every point? No. It's the Internet, after all.


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I think you misinterpreted the context of my words

Without going into a lengthy boring verbose explanation, I'm on your side. wink

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Let's get back to talking about guns again.

That is more fun.

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Originally Posted by Rick99
If I remember correctly, when JTC was asked many years back, about what we now refer to as the "RT" he stated that Savage advertised (cataloged) the EG and the R and that it was not an EG. The only problem with that statement is that the catalogs used in 1943, 1944 and 1945, the years the "RT's" were produced were the same as used in 1942. What we need are the 1943-1945 price sheets which I don't have nor remember seeing.

I suspect that it is an R variation of the time.I have no problem calling it an "RT".

Thank Rick.
Yea, as I said to another member here, that when I think about it in a WWII context it makes some sense.
My Folks talked about rationing of basic goods during that time and gun makers were reassigned to make war time items.
I have a Win 94 "flat band" carbine. A WWII time rifle for which Winchester/Cody have no documentation yet it is understood what it is and why it is. It is unique for that reason. The "RT" sounds similar in that regard.


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