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I shoot a lot of both IMR4064 and IMR4350, in the .223, .243, .260, 7/08, etc..... Once it gets below about 10 degrees, I’ve found shooter temp sensitivity to play a much larger roll in accuracy/POI shifts.... than powder temp sensitivity.


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MontanaMan,

Haven't done any formal testing of either, but both have been consistent.

One thing mentioned in the article is that so far I've never cold-tested a powder claimed to be temperature-resistant that didn't work well at zero.


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Dogshooter,

That can be a factor!

However, when I do my zero-degree testing I pick days that are calm, and usually sunny, because quite often high pressure results in those conditions during Montana winters. It's actually usually pretty pleasant, at least for a native Montanan of Norwegian ancestry. I shoot the rifles over a benchrest, with a warmed-up pickup nearby in case I need to reheat either the shooter or the chronograph.

I described all my methodology (including this) in the article, but have discovered over the 15+ years I've been a Campfire member that most people don't want to read 2000+ word articles. Instead they want the 3-sentence Internet version of knowledge.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer

I described all my methodology (including this) in the article, but have discovered over the 15+ years I've been a Campfire member that most people don't want to read 2000+ word articles. Instead they want the 3-sentence Internet version of knowledge.


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Originally Posted by Dogshooter
I shoot a lot of both IMR4064 and IMR4350, in the .223, .243, .260, 7/08, etc..... Once it gets below about 10 degrees, I’ve found shooter temp sensitivity to play a much larger roll in accuracy/POI shifts.... than powder temp sensitivity.


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John, I enjoy your 2000+ word articles because everything you write is knowledge to me. After reading your articles and books for many years I can't say I've disagreed with anything you wrote. I've been reloading and making bullets for 58 years and I'm still learning.

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Originally Posted by 300savagehunter
John, I enjoy your 2000+ word articles because everything you write is knowledge to me. After reading your articles and books for many years I can't say I've disagreed with anything you wrote.
Mike


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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
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Any info on the temp sensitivity of AR-Comp & IMR-8208 XBR?

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In a few observations with 8208 I’ve found it to be as good as it gets. Basically no difference from 70 to 10-20 deg

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Joe,

OK, here they are three sentences, this being the first one:

1) If you hunt in widely different temperatures, use a temperature-resistant powder.

2) If for some reason you can't, then you should actually shoot YOUR ammo in YOUR rifle before going hunting, to find out what happens.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Joe,

OK, here they are three sentences, this being the first one:

1) If you hunt in widely different temperatures, use a temperature-resistant powder.

2) If for some reason you can't, then you should actually shoot YOUR ammo in YOUR rifle before going hunting, to find out what happens.


John,

Jeez, there you go with a concise and logical reply again. On the internet no less shocked

I didn't know gack came in that form. wink

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PS, test firing my rifle and ammo BEFORE hunting? How many years have I been hearing that?

PPS, I'll have to look for that article in the issues I just received. After retiring and relocating to our place in CA some issues of Rifle and Handloader didn't follow me. I called the subscription dept and could not be happier with the service. 3-4 days and they were in my PO box.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
MontanaMan,

Haven't done any formal testing of either, but both have been consistent.

One thing mentioned in the article is that so far I've never cold-tested a powder claimed to be temperature-resistant that didn't work well at zero.


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John, I was just yanking your chain, I read your article. grin And remember, a huge number don't comprehend what they read so they need it to be short. (That's not what she said) laugh laugh

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Joe,

Yeah, I knew that!

I was just yanking the chain of the people who want it all in three sentences....


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HEY ! Wait a minute ! !
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