Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters is there a winner between the 6.5-300 and 26 Nosler?

Most assuredly so. Our discussions were most stimulating. I miss his insights.

btw :Lots if Ice here, with Overnight temps hitting -30C ( ~ -22F )

Ha me too, I could've bought oodles of nice .270 Win, or .30'06 as donors, but somehow I didn't want an action that had been abused that way

Or as I said before, they were only 22", and felt short. I actually once passed on a sweet deal on a new Sako 75 Stainless .280 Rem for that reason ?!? ( 22 7/16" IIRC )

Mea Dummy

Use your .270 as a donor ! Form from your bucket of cheap .270 brass. Buy the good stuff later

Dies ? Hmm, may require some cogitation on this aspect. Don't believe you can source the Redding S dies in .280 RCBS 30

Stay Warm !

We should be comparing apples to apples here, right?

With TTSX bullets of comparable S.D. the 270 out shoots the 6.5 CM by 1.2" at 450 yards even though it starts out 100 fps faster....wow. bfg?

The 6.5 CM uses 15 grains less powder, and fits into a short action.

Short action or shorter 21" barrels, take your pick....

Or, just maybe a short action with a shorter 21" barrel? I like that, but the 270 won't do that. (6.5 CM will)

But, the 270 will give me an extra 1.2" at 450 yds! If that matters to you.

Bet Rick and Bob never tried that.


And I miss Bob, a lot!

Well it didn't take too long.




I've been reading HERE more than a few times....that SD doesn't mean anything.

S A are for those that like them.

You pays your money and youse takes your pick.

Jerry

Funny, Rick can give his, but mocks those who might see it different.


Not in impact on an animal, it means nothing.

But comparing a smaller caliber 140 against a larger caliber 130 is not a fair comparison. (Especially one that shoots 15 grains more powder)

You need to compare bullet overall weight/diameter and SD does that. 6.5/120 to 27/130. So yes, it does matter in that respect.
26/120/.246 ....27/130/.242


Or, shorter barrels are for those that like them.
Rick obviously does. He wants a shorter overall rifle length. (AKA (handi-rifle)

Again take your pick shorter action or shorter barrel, or you can get the best of both worlds with the 6.5 (AKA (handier rifle)


What advantages you get with a 270 is 1.2" at 450 yds and better cartridge availability, if you shoot factory.

The 6.5 CM will give a shorter overall rifle, less recoil, and in my perspective just as good performance as a 270.

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I loved Bob, and highly respected him and learned a lot from him.


But again, he didn't wring that 6.5 out all the way as it could be and sounds like Rick gave up on it before it was even built.
Both men have an obvious bias for the 270 and that's ok it works for them.


btw, I am shooting 47.5 grains of RL26 with a 6.5 147 ELD for 2,800 fps. check those numbers out past 500 yds.

Barnes load data shows a 260 Rem pushing a 100 TTSX to 3200+ fps and a 120 TTSX to 2900+ fps in a 24 inch barrel; and the 270 pushing a 110 TTSX to 3400+ fps in a 24 inch barrel; the 129 LRX and 130 TTSX to 3200+...

Seems to me all those bullets would do the same thing on a big deer to any reasonable range. The 270 will always offer more V, but is it needed at reasonable hunting ranges 0-440 yards? The appeal of the 270 is the max V and ammo availability. The appeal of the 260 is accomplishing the same result with less blast and recoil.

if one can't decide, the 270 makes sense for overall availability of everything...

Dang it, i need both.

... but will probably just stick with my 280 and push a 120 TTSX out of it... lol

Shooting 6.5 120 TTSX's at 3,000 is no problem.

You can shoot 127's at 2,900.

I’m shooting 46.5 in Alpha brass at 2775..



Pretty wicked combo.

Wicked it is! That's a sick group.

What Distance ? Grid Size ?

1” grids at 100 yards.



I’m pretty happy with it. I attempted to get out again and shoot on a public range last weekend but both times I got surprised by another shooters muzzle blast on the line.





I’m still pretty happy with the load overall. Can’t wait for a long weekend to stretch it out a little. This is just a plain Jane T3X with a SS 6X MQ on it.

I kinda think if Bob had tried the 6.5 CM with any of the great 125/130 grain Bullets with 17 he’d probably liked it a little more. I kinda think that’s what I wanna try next.

I agree with your last statement. All the interactions Bob and I had privately were about my my experiences hunting with "target" bullets. Bob had them, but he couldn't be convinced that they were effective for hunting. I tried to sell him that an Amax or VLD through the ribs or shoulders would be as reliable as his Bitterroots or Partitions. He had far more experience than I did, and knew his stuff, so I didn't push it.

For sure. I kinda learned about Bullets as a young kid from Hagel, and a couple others that liked the Partitions and BBCs. As far as I knew BBCs were dead by the time I was really buying a bunch of Bullets. To this day, I’d be fine if that’s all I ever used to be honest. I’m pretty open to trying some of the super sleek Bullets though. Bob used the 162 AMax a bunch in his Mashburn but since out to 600 they shot the same as his Partitions and BBCs, well, you know what he used. I kinda fell in on what those guys were using for killing BG so that is where I gravitated. Once he got me some BBCs and explained how he made them shoot I was gut hooked with their performance on animals. Not that others didn’t work great but I saw what all of the others were talking about.

It was fun to interact with him, at least for me. He was a helluva good rifleman and pretty simple with his reloading too. My bud that was a good family friend said he never saw a set of calipers on his bench

The cool part is there is room for all of us and our opinions. Still seems like good shooters probably make more difference than the cartridge or bullet and I don’t know if any technology will ever change that.

beretz, this one statement surprised me.

***"My bud that was a good family friend said he never saw a set of calipers on his bench grin"***

I'm not asking anyone these ??? but that makes me wonder.......

How often did he trim cases ?

How did he determine COAL ?

How could he know chamber distance to lands ?

etc.

Jerry

Well, RinB might better answer this but Bob would make most of his ammo to fit the magazine since he dealt with a bunch of Long throated rifles he liked to build (300 Win, 7 Mashburn, 7 Rem). He just loaded them to fit in his magazines and was pretty happy.

Don’t know about trimming cases? I know the Mashburn never required trimming though

I don’t think he cared about distance to the lands. He just loaded what fit and believed if the rifle was straight, it would shoot. If it didn’t, he tripped it down the road.

Once he had a known good load he made a dummy cartridge up and that’s what he used to set up his dies. He liked to shoot and not waste a bunch of time handloading.