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Well there's really no way to definitively know. The VAST majority of armed robberies happen without a shot fired, so it's more about probability. But demeanor and body language can tell you a lot. There certainly are no guarantees either way. When they pull out a deadly weapon and use it to commit a felony, that’s all the body language needed.
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For the guys saying that he’d intervene if they thought he would actually shoot someone...
What thing would happen to convince you of that? Because he’s already brought a gun into the store and pointed it at people. The next step seems to be mirder, at which point it’s a little late to be wondering if he’s gonna shoot someone. Spot-on. Lots of folks carry a crystal ball so they can see into the future and know what the bad guy is going to do.
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Well there's really no way to definitively know. The VAST majority of armed robberies happen without a shot fired, so it's more about probability. But demeanor and body language can tell you a lot. There certainly are no guarantees either way. When they pull out a deadly weapon and use it to commit a felony, that’s all the body language needed. Okay then...you're good to go.
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For the guys saying that he’d intervene if they thought he would actually shoot someone...
What thing would happen to convince you of that? Because he’s already brought a gun into the store and pointed it at people. The next step seems to be mirder, at which point it’s a little late to be wondering if he’s gonna shoot someone. Spot-on. Lots of folks carry a crystal ball so they can see into the future and know what the bad guy is going to do. Spot on
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Well there's really no way to definitively know. The VAST majority of armed robberies happen without a shot fired, so it's more about probability. But demeanor and body language can tell you a lot. There certainly are no guarantees either way. When they pull out a deadly weapon and use it to commit a felony, that’s all the body language needed. Bingo.
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yeah I wouldn't be waiting around to see if he starts shooting people. I'd pop him before that.
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For you fellas in the "once my family is out, it's not my problem" crowd, I just can't agree with you. Yes, first and foremost I'm getting my family to safety. After that, I'm doing what I can if it is a situation where I am able to do so. I couldn't live with myself if someone else was killed and I didn't do anything to stop it. Once that guy pulled the weapon I'd have no problem popping him. I'm sure as hell not going to try and read his body language and guess what his actions will be after he's already pulled the gun.
My boys both work at the local grocery store and sure would hope that someone would do the same for them in a similar situation.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same." - Ronald Reagan
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For you fellas in the "once my family is out, it's not my problem" crowd, I just can't agree with you. Yes, first and foremost I'm getting my family to safety. After that, I'm doing what I can if it is a situation where I am able to do so. I couldn't live with myself if someone else was killed and I didn't do anything to stop it. Once that guy pulled the weapon I'd have no problem popping him. I'm sure as hell not going to try and read his body language and guess what his actions will be after he's already pulled the gun.
My boys both work at the local grocery store and sure would hope that someone would do the same for them in a similar situation. Couldn’t agree more.
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Well there's really no way to definitively know. The VAST majority of armed robberies happen without a shot fired, so it's more about probability. But demeanor and body language can tell you a lot. There certainly are no guarantees either way. Demeanor and body language.... Like when he shouts and points a gun at you?
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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For you fellas in the "once my family is out, it's not my problem" crowd, I just can't agree with you. Yes, first and foremost I'm getting my family to safety. After that, I'm doing what I can if it is a situation where I am able to do so. I couldn't live with myself if someone else was killed and I didn't do anything to stop it. Once that guy pulled the weapon I'd have no problem popping him. I'm sure as hell not going to try and read his body language and guess what his actions will be after he's already pulled the gun.
My boys both work at the local grocery store and sure would hope that someone would do the same for them in a similar situation. Amen!
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I am an old guy and I agree with Blue. However I must add that anyone who has a safety on a self defense pistol ( unless all you ever use is a 1911) is foolish.
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Well there's really no way to definitively know. The VAST majority of armed robberies happen without a shot fired, so it's more about probability. But demeanor and body language can tell you a lot. There certainly are no guarantees either way. When they pull out a deadly weapon and use it to commit a felony, that’s all the body language needed. Okay then...you're good to go. Exactly what body language are you looking for?
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My family comes first. If my wife and the girls are with me as soon as they are out of harms way I may get involved, or I may remain and become a professional witness
If it's just me and the girls. Well, I'm with blue, I'm gonna feel terrible, but I'll feel terrible while holding my girls
I totally get the"I would hope someone would intervene if my loved one was there mentality. I would hope so too
But, how do I care for an 18 month old and 3 year old and engage the badguy
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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For you fellas in the "once my family is out, it's not my problem" crowd, I just can't agree with you. That’s fine. My family is my responsibility, not yours.I’ll protect them in a manner that I believe necessary.
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Well there's really no way to definitively know. The VAST majority of armed robberies happen without a shot fired, so it's more about probability. But demeanor and body language can tell you a lot. There certainly are no guarantees either way. When they pull out a deadly weapon and use it to commit a felony, that’s all the body language needed. Okay then...you're good to go. Exactly what body language are you looking for? If someone is brandishing a firearm with their finger on the trigger they’ll get at least one shot off if you wait for them to act before you react.
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For you fellas in the "once my family is out, it's not my problem" crowd, I just can't agree with you. Yes, first and foremost I'm getting my family to safety. After that, I'm doing what I can if it is a situation where I am able to do so. I couldn't live with myself if someone else was killed and I didn't do anything to stop it. Once that guy pulled the weapon I'd have no problem popping him. I'm sure as hell not going to try and read his body language and guess what his actions will be after he's already pulled the gun.
My boys both work at the local grocery store and sure would hope that someone would do the same for them in a similar situation. You walk back into the fray. No shots fired yet. You engage the guy. He fires back and kills the young girl who was frozen with fear and didn't leave. So, now, her blood is on whose hands? Reality is, you have just escalated a situation and that escalation resulted in an innocent dying. Think you aren't in for a crapload of trouble? Legal, financial and mental?
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My family comes first. If my wife and the girls are with me as soon as they are out of harms way I may get involved, or I may remain and become a professional witness
If it's just me and the girls. Well, I'm with blue, I'm gonna feel terrible, but I'll feel terrible while holding my girls
I totally get the"I would hope someone would intervene if my loved one was there mentality. I would hope so too
But, how do I care for an 18 month old and 3 year old and engage the badguy
Or, how do you care for an 18 month old and 3 year old if you are dead??
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I guess it would depend on my mood that day or the wife's mood.
It might help to know the law, is it a stand your ground state or a duty to retreat state.
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It might help to know the law, is it a stand your ground state or a duty to retreat state.
In this case I’m not sure it would matter. The test is are you are other in immediate danger of great bodily harm or death. Their were others that we’re definately in immediate danger of great bodily harm or death.
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My family comes first. If my wife and the girls are with me as soon as they are out of harms way I may get involved, or I may remain and become a professional witness
If it's just me and the girls. Well, I'm with blue, I'm gonna feel terrible, but I'll feel terrible while holding my girls
I totally get the"I would hope someone would intervene if my loved one was there mentality. I would hope so too
But, how do I care for an 18 month old and 3 year old and engage the badguy
And that is why a standard answer can't be given that would apply to every situation. I was answering for me in that situation. That's why I said "I'm doing what I can if it is a situation where I am able to do so." If I was in your shoes, I certainly wouldn't leave my small children outside while I ran back inside. In the end, I would do everything I could based upon the situation.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same." - Ronald Reagan
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