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It is odd how advertising can get a so so cartridge to supplant a much better one. The Bob was chambered in a too short action and pressures kept to 45000 psi which cut performance way down. I like the 722 but wouldn't build a Roberts on it.


I've probably owned close to a dozen 722s in 257 Roberts, still have one, and can't see a reason not to load it to its full potential. Since I only shoot varmints and medium game with my rifles chambered in 257 Roberts, the bullets that I load for them are all in the 75 thru 110 grain range, with the majority being 75, 87, and 90 grain varmint bullets and 100 and 110 grain medium game bullets. None of the bullets that I use are negatively impacted by using them in a short action or have positively benefited from using them in a long action.

I would agree that the 57mm/2.244" case length limits bullet weight/length options in the short, 2.84", action Remington magazine boxes. OTOH, I can't think of a .257" bullet better suited to shooting medium game with a 257 Roberts than the 100 grain Partition or 110 grain AB, both of which work flawlessly through the 2.84" magazines.

I currently have 10 rifles chambered in 257 Roberts, 3 long actions and 7 short actions. The long actions are a Mexican Mauser, a Swedish Mauser, and a Ruger 77. The short actions are a Marlin XS7, 3 Remington 700s, a Remington 722, a Ruger 77, and a Savage 11. My current favorites are a long action Ruger 77 RSI and a short action Remington 700 CDL-SF.

EDIT: The most frustrating 257 Roberts that I've owned was a sporterized 1936 style Mexican Mauser. It had a 1-12" ROT Flaig's barrel and would only shoot good groups with bullets in the 75 thru 87 grain range. It wouldn't shoot good groups with the normally reliable 90 grain Sierra BTHP, but would routinely go MOA or better with whatever 87 grain Hornady or Speer bullet I loaded in it ahead of 42 grains of IMR-3031. As picky as it was, you'd think that it was of the female gender. So I rebarreled it in 243.


I have a 30-06 with Flaig's barrel. I found the same condition with Federal 168BT ammo. I tried old school 150 Remmington SP and I can reach MOA performance. I don't know what the issue was with modern ammo. The Flaig's barrel likes all sorts of old ammo, 180, 220 RP. go figure?
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I have seen a total of two deer taken with a 243 win. First one shot by my nephew about 8 yrs ago, did not impress me - medium doe shot at 90 yds with Federal Blue Box 100 gr ammo, ran about 40 yds and laid down - took another finishing shot to kill it. Second did impress me - this one last fall a nice non-typical 8 pointer shot at about 100 yds with 100 gr Partition. Ran/staggered about 30 yds then stopped and dropped. Bullet performance was very similar to what I've seen over the past 15 years with a 7-08 - nickel to quarter size exit, trashed lungs. I really like the 243 win after that one. I'll keep using it until I have a good reason not to.


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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by rickt300
It is odd how advertising can get a so so cartridge to supplant a much better one. The Bob was chambered in a too short action and pressures kept to 45000 psi which cut performance way down. I like the 722 but wouldn't build a Roberts on it.


I've probably owned close to a dozen 722s in 257 Roberts, still have one, and can't see a reason not to load it to its full potential. Since I only shoot varmints and medium game with my rifles chambered in 257 Roberts, the bullets that I load for them are all in the 75 thru 110 grain range, with the majority being 75, 87, and 90 grain varmint bullets and 100 and 110 grain medium game bullets. None of the bullets that I use are negatively impacted by using them in a short action or have positively benefited from using them in a long action.

I would agree that the 57mm/2.244" case length limits bullet weight/length options in the short, 2.84", action Remington magazine boxes. OTOH, I can't think of a .257" bullet better suited to shooting medium game with a 257 Roberts than the 100 grain Partition or 110 grain AB, both of which work flawlessly through the 2.84" magazines.

I currently have 10 rifles chambered in 257 Roberts, 3 long actions and 7 short actions. The long actions are a Mexican Mauser, a Swedish Mauser, and a Ruger 77. The short actions are a Marlin XS7, 3 Remington 700s, a Remington 722, a Ruger 77, and a Savage 11. My current favorites are a long action Ruger 77 RSI and a short action Remington 700 CDL-SF.

EDIT: The most frustrating 257 Roberts that I've owned was a sporterized 1936 style Mexican Mauser. It had a 1-12" ROT Flaig's barrel and would only shoot good groups with bullets in the 75 thru 87 grain range. It wouldn't shoot good groups with the normally reliable 90 grain Sierra BTHP, but would routinely go MOA or better with whatever 87 grain Hornady or Speer bullet I loaded in it ahead of 42 grains of IMR-3031. As picky as it was, you'd think that it was of the female gender. So I rebarreled it in 243.

When I was younger I had a custom Rem. 600 in.257 Roberts. It also had a Flaig's 1-12" twist barrel. It weighed 6 lbs. even with out scope, with 23" barrel in a Brown Precision stock. I loved the feel and weight of the gun , but ended up selling it for 2/3 of what I paid for it because it was so fussy and really only shot 75 gr hornadys decent. Ended any affection I may have had with a .257.

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Years ago, killed my first deer with a 7RM, 2nd with a 243/100 Partition. Both went about 30 yards, but horrible destruction with the Mag.

Later had a shot at around 200 yds using a 100 Sierra and it was a very cold morning. Hit a deer facing me and never found blood. Later found it was shooting low and I was in a tower blind, a raking shot. I hit it but it left. A few weeks later someone saw a deer limping, fitting the description. I lost faith. That was LONG ago. Since killed deer with 243 and 6BR both, 70 TNT - in both - Lung/neck shot. 95 Ballistic Tip on many in both. Worked great, even blew thru both shoulders exiting at 100 yds. Also using a 105 Amax via 6BR, at 400 yds, struggled about 20 yds.

So, I have complete faith in 6mm's. Shot Placement. Bullet choice. Put a good bullet thru vitals. That will = success.

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Shot this pig 4 times in the head at 800 yrds this morning with a .243 105 gr. Scenar didn't even make a dent. Rio7

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buy and sell . eventually you will have a the right combo. every one should have several 30-06s the all American caliber. . i do like my sako .243- mannlicher, sporter, and varmints. they all have been very deadly for me. not just lot of deer , antelope and 250 coyotes. an elk too.

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Good more ammo for me.... bye


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I use it more and more as I get older. Kills like a laser beam with ballistic tips and now that I have 2 95 gr partition loads that group under half inch. One at 3160 and one at 3250. I cant wait to shoot something with that combo... R23 and 26 are crack in the ol 243.

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I never was a .243 fan and i guess that comes from hearing all the negative press about the round for so many years. I did see a guy shoot a spike on a south Texas ranch one time and the little buck dropped, spun around, then got backup and took off. Never to be found. My thoughts on the .243 changed a little when I killed a huge axis buck with it. It's my fathers' rifle, a Model 7, but I cant tell you what bullet I used. He and I were driving through the pasture to fill a feeder. He handed me the rifle and said to kill a whitetail doe for him if I spotted one. Instead, we jumped a big herd of axis and I spotted two huge axis bucks. The biggest one made a circle around the oak mott and I bailed out of the truck. Through the scope I found a gap in the branches and squeezed off a round offhanded at about 100 yards. The buck took the bullet behind the shoulder, ran about 30 yards and piled up.

Crazy as it sounds, I always wanted a 6mm Remington though. Still do.

And then there's the BOB! I have a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in .257 BOB and it has never failed to kill whatever I aim at and no matter what distance. I've probably killed more whitetails and other critters with that rifle and 90 grain Barnes X bullets than all my other rifles combined.


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My kids have had great luck with their pre 64 M70 .243's, Mn whitetail, antelope and mule deer, a 80 grain TTSX placed right has worked just fine. I also have one as a loaner for folks just get started deer hunting up here, funny they had no idea that it shouldn't work on deer,.they've had no problems.

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Originally Posted by handwerk
My kids have had great luck with their pre 64 M70 .....


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Smoke, that's all we have for big game rifles. pre 64 M70's all the way around from .243s to 300 H&H...brought them up right!

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Originally Posted by handwerk
My kids have had great luck with their pre 64 M70 .243's, Mn whitetail, antelope and mule deer, a 80 grain TTSX placed right has worked just fine. I also have one as a loaner for folks just get started deer hunting up here, funny they had no idea that it shouldn't work on deer,.they've had no problems.


I've used the 243 for years. The 80 TTSX works well on game 'too big' for the 243. I'll keep killing deer with 100 SGKs too. No problem.


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Took a bunch of deer with a .243, but now want more bullet. Sold the .243 and got a 7-08, no regrets.

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Originally Posted by 1Nut
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My kids have had great luck with their pre 64 M70 .243's, Mn whitetail, antelope and mule deer, a 80 grain TTSX placed right has worked just fine. I also have one as a loaner for folks just get started deer hunting up here, funny they had no idea that it shouldn't work on deer,.they've had no problems.


I've used the 243 for years. The 80 TTSX works well on game 'too big' for the 243. I'll keep killing deer with 100 SGKs too. No problem.


My father killed a large pile of deer with Sierra Game Kings, no problem. I know because I loaded his ammo.

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.243 with 95gr Hornady SSTs is a deer killing machine.

To all those that say they knocked down deer, with a .243, only to have them get up & miraculously escape.

It was no fault of the .243 !

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Yep, that happens with high shots with any round.


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In fact it did to me some years ago with a borrowed 300 win mag. Hit to high and we later found the zero was off. Even with the best dog I've seen, we only proved that I hit to high above the spine.


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