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The Talmud is man made. God gave the Jews the Torah, or the law, but they wrote their own Talmudic laws to try to interpret what God said. They couldn't just take the Torah for what it says, they had to 'improve' on it. There are lots of Jews who follow only the Torah and the saved Jews are among them. They're still true Jews but fulfilled with the salvation of Christ. They stop being Jews when they accept Christ, because tied up in being Jewish is the rejection of Christ (It's in their holy book, the Talmud). They remain, only, of Jewish ancestry. That's not the same as "being a Jew."
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That's nonsense. Jesus said that not one dot of the law would disappear. He fulfilled it, completed it. They are completed Jews, God's chosen people who chose him back.
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Wasn't it Graham who said--- If you do not send me money-- God will call me home---???
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That's nonsense. Jesus said that not one dot of the law would disappear. He fulfilled it, completed it. They are completed Jews, God's chosen people who chose him back. "Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?" John 7:11 "Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews." - John 7:13 So, the people feared Christ's disciples, too?? According to you, Biblically speaking, they were equally Jews. John, however, seems to hold a different perspective on this point than you. Who shall I believe? You, or John?
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Wasn't it Graham who said--- If you do not send me money-- God will call me home---???
no, no, maybe not? that was Oral (not sex) Roberts? something like raising 8 million was the requirement? god has some strange evangelists in his employ who proffer to sell his goods.
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Also, Paul referred to "the Jews" as a people who "are contrary to all men." Was he also speaking of those of Jewish ancestry who became Christians? I think not.
"The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men."
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Who ever--- its all about the money
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Wow, who would have guessed. A religious thread started by trh and he's bashing jews
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That's nonsense. Jesus said that not one dot of the law would disappear. He fulfilled it, completed it. They are completed Jews, God's chosen people who chose him back. "Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?" John 7:11 "Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews." - John 7:13 So, the people feared Christ's disciples, too? According to you, Biblically speaking, they are equally Jews. John, however, seems to hold a different perspective on this point than you. Who shall I believe? You, or John? "the Jews" as referred to in the NT like that are the Pharisees, the Jewish leaders. All the people were Jews but those were the legalistic and powerful ones. Even some of the Pharisees were believers, like Joseph of Arimethia. Just look at the context to see that all the people in Israel were Jewish but not all were leaders. The hundreds of disciples were all Jews as well and the many thousands of new converts.
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Also, Paul referred to "the Jews" as a people who "are contrary to all men." Was he also speaking of those of Jewish ancestry who became Christians? I think not.
"The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men."
- 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15
Real Hawkeye is spot on. John 1 11-12 is about He came unto His own and His own recieved Him not. But as many as recieved Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His Name. There's an video of Graham and Robert Schuller where Graham describes how God has an "wideness" in who He saves. It may be anyone from any belief or type of faith and not solely Christ. It's interesting that Apostle Paul rigidly claims that if anyone, even an angel from heaven preach another or different gospel let him be accursed. So it appears there's no "wideness" or inclusive nature of salvation. It's in Christ alone.
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That's nonsense. Jesus said that not one dot of the law would disappear. He fulfilled it, completed it. They are completed Jews, God's chosen people who chose him back. "Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?" John 7:11 "Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews." - John 7:13 So, the people feared Christ's disciples, too? According to you, Biblically speaking, they are equally Jews. John, however, seems to hold a different perspective on this point than you. Who shall I believe? You, or John? "the Jews" as referred to in the NT like that are the Pharisees, the Jewish leaders. All the people were Jews but those were the legalistic and powerful ones. Even some of the Pharisees were believers, like Joseph of Arimethia. Just look at the context to see that all the people in Israel were Jewish but not all were leaders. The hundreds of disciples were all Jews as well and the many thousands of new converts. But they were not referred to as part of "the Jews," and no, "the Jews" didn't refer to those in authority over the Jews. John referred to them many times by such terms as priests, rulers, and pharisees. He knew how to refer to them as distinct from the Jews in general.
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that crowd were first more or less decentralized and locally ruled by the Judges. west texas had the same system once upon a time?
anyways, later through advanced organization, a decision was made to introduce king rule. i mean, to be legitimate a people deserves a king, right?
england has royals, so do the saudi's, japan and many others. it's a concept that goes far back in time. but how to make sense of it all?
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Also, Paul referred to "the Jews" as a people who "are contrary to all men." Was he also speaking of those of Jewish ancestry who became Christians? I think not.
"The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men."
- 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15
Real Hawkeye is spot on. John 1 11-12 is about He came unto His own and His own recieved Him not. But as many as recieved Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His Name. There's an video of Graham and Robert Schuller where Graham describes how God has an "wideness" in who He saves. It may be anyone from any belief or type of faith and not solely Christ. It's interesting that Apostle Paul rigidly claims that if anyone, even an angel from heaven preach another or different gospel let him be accursed. So it appears there's no "wideness" or inclusive nature of salvation. It's in Christ alone. "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat." - Matt 7:13
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Wow, who would have guessed. A religious thread started by trh and he's bashing jews Maybe he believes what Jesse Jackson said about "Hymie Town."
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Ya'll do know that Jesus is a Jew,right?
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Ya'll do know that Jesus is a Jew,right? omg! does that suggest he's a short, dark, swathy, kinky haired individual from the south of the mediteranian sea? and please don't go out on a limb and tell me he's a True Communist too? so, his mom was Mary, an Essene? but his dad was a Roman archer?
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Ya'll do know that Jesus is a Jew,right? They mean I'm bashing Jews who, to this day, applaud his crucifixion. You know, the folks Christ said were the sons of their father the Devil.
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Ya'll do know that Jesus is a Jew,right? They mean I'm bashing Jews who, to this day, applaud his crucifixion. You know, the folks Christ said were the sons of their father the Devil. That would include anyone not saved,not just the Jew. The Jews are also God's chosen people,you know the ones in covenant with God, about whom he said that he would bless those who blessed them and curse those who cursed them.
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Pretty pathetic thread even by campfire standards..............
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The Jews are God's meat. God will deal with them in his own way and time. For us, it's hands off.
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