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Certainly, why so defensive?
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You asked the initial OK question. Why so defensive?
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Is it OK if continue to hunt successfully with my 7x57 using 139-140 bullets traveling at about 2900 fps? Yes, IF you can be happy hunting with a ‘middle of the roader’ — tweener ! i Jerry I thot he was TNC. No ?
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BINGO... DF
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BINGO... DF The next winner is....... Barrel companies.
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BINGO... DF ? ? ? No comprehende’ ———- Never mind.
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Wow John (aka Mule Deer). I wasn't expecting such a response like yours from anyone especially someone whom I have met and I must say was much more pleasant to converse with.Let's all just enjoy our sport!
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Jobs Jobs Jobs I am glad if more people are employed in a growing economy to build barrels, make powder, accessories and hopefully because more folks have more money to enjoy their hobby or even to buy a good steak more often. Why it bothers people who want to use a more conventional cartridge that some want to enjoy zippier designs escapes me. Kinda interesting that folks who like to have fun with a round like the 28 Nosler aren't bothered a bit that their neighbor likes an older more sedate round. Fun stuff
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Desertranger,
I apologize. Obviously I misinterpreted your post.
The winter up here has been too loooonnng......
Good hunting,
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Is it OK if continue to hunt successfully with my 7x57 using 139-140 bullets traveling at about 2900 fps? Yes, IF you can be happy hunting with a ‘middle of the roader’ — tweener ! Jerry I thot he was TNC. No ? Desertranger - I ?think? you misinterpreted my response to you. I thot you were being sarcastic in a fun way. So I responded in HUMOR -- ->-> Indicate I was JOKING. I have been giving Ingwe & elkhunterNM a lot of grief in FUN about the 7X57 as the 'woman's 270. I intended NO offense, No harm, No foul. Jerry
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Is it OK if continue to hunt successfully with my 7x57 using 139-140 bullets traveling at about 2900 fps? Yes, IF you can be happy hunting with a ‘middle of the roader’ — tweener ! Jerry I thot he was TNC. No ? Desertranger - I ?think? you misinterpreted my response to you. I thot you were being sarcastic in a fun way. So I responded in HUMOR -- ->-> Indicate I was JOKING. I have been giving Ingwe & elkhunterNM a lot of grief in FUN about the 7X57 as the 'woman's 270. I intended NO offense, No harm, No foul. Jerry 7x57 loaded with a 140 grain NP.
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Here is a mule deer killed with a .270 Win. You know,just to be inclusive.
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elkhunter,
About 15 years ago, when Western Powders was starting to market their Ramshot brand, I did some experimenting with a new-to-me .416 Rigby, finding 100 grains of Magnum to works excellently with 400-grain bullets. I reported this to the owner of Western Powders, who said, "Yes!!! I love it when the powder level drops half an inch with each pull of the measure handle...."
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338Rules,
Actually, the 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer was the "noted slayer of Pachyderms," not the 6.5x55, due to one of W.D.M. Bell's favorite rifles being a customized M-S 1903 carbine. He called the ".256," because at that time the British often applied their names to European cartridges, the reason there's a .275 Rigby (7x57).
The 6.5x54 cartridge is even smaller than the 6.5 Creedmoor, at least in head-size and powder capacity, though it's slightly longer. MD : I stand corrected , Your historical knowledge is impeccable. My aging brain must be addled by too many rounds of .303Briish in SMLE Jungle Carbines in my youth ! They must have been using 160 RN solids in those 6.5x54 M-S's, for the brain shot on the big Tuskers - gives me the Willy's just thinking about it ! I wouldn't attempt that with anything less than a 300 grain .338
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Yeah, the bullets were heavy solids. Bell eventually went back to the 7x57 not because of its slightly heavier bullets, but because the cases for Austrian 6.5x54 ammo split too often on firing. Otherwise he would have stayed with the ".256," because his customized rifle was very light and handy. Bell did sometimes use a .318, which he preferred for more difficult angles on brain shots.
No doubt some elephants were taken with the 6.5x55 using solids too, but I can't recall reading about it.
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Elks --- I knew you'd be watching. Jerry
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Alright now, y'all just STOP it right there! ! 2950 is just TOO CLOSE to my accepted minimum speed. But it's still using ODD ball , 127 & or 129 bullets. And its name is still Creedmoor, or creedmore, or creedmare - summin like at! Yes, I can learn or BE taught.....even tho I don't like it. Okay guys --- an admission This thread has CHANGED < helped > my attitude ABOUT the Creedmoor ! That's quite a step. I have HAD only contempt for PIPsqueeks and shooting LESS powder. However NOW I see the Creedmoor is really capable of more than I HAD thot. Good Job guys. H S T - S A don't mean anything important TO ME. I have a 70, 6.5X55 and it's doing GOOD. ( I know, I know) I still don't WANT a Creedmoor, I don't need it. Shooting 60-70 grs of powder doesn't bother me. I'm currently developing my new Tikka T 3X 7MM R M; and it PLEASES...... [/b]"I reported this to the owner of Western Powders, who said, "Yes!!! I love it when the powder level drops half an inch with each pull of the measure handle...."[b] Quote M D,... Now we don't want to put the powder co's out of business, do we ? Seriously -- Thanks Guys, I may be hard headed but I CAN learn. Jerry
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Mule Deer, In support of my thoughts about the greatness of the 270W I must cite you to the writings of my buddy JOHN BARSNESS.
He recently wrote an article on the great 270W for RIFLE. He makes a brilliant analysis of the significance of BC. MR BARSNESS forcefully makes the point that BC doesn’t matter much inside 500 yards. In his article on the 6.5-06, MR BARSNESS makes the same compelling point. Further, he explains how the ancient beast, the 270W not me, is flatter shooting than the 6.5 Creedmore within 500 when using the classic load of 130’s at 3100.
Who am I to dispute his erudite analysis? In the words of Master Yoda, unassailable his logic is!
Me, I have used many different 130’s all at around 3100. For the last 10 to 12 trips I have mostly used various monos.
I have never gotten more than 2850 with 150’s using older powders and 2850 doesn’t do much for me. The 2750 “steak” has even less sizzle. R26 has changed that. I am getting ready for trip #25 and thought I would try lead core 150’s at 3000. In PM’s MR BARSNESS has told be how well the 150 NPtn works so I decided to follow his advice. I threw in the 150 LRAB just to take advantage of the “free lunch.” I would continue to use the 130’s but MR B was quite emphatic about greatness of the 150 Partition (despite its BC).
Lastly, wind isn’t much a concern for me. I am a rather delicate fellow and if the wind blows, I retire to the lodge for a martini and snacks.
So, I suggest you contact MR BARSNESS. He is a fine fellow, a good man. He has a first rate mind. I believe he lives near you. Cheers.
not to be a smart@$$, but if 3000 fps is what we are looking for with a 150, in a hunting rifle with a self imposed shot limit of 440 yards, why not go with an E-Tip or a TTSX in a 30-06? ammo as available as the 270, wind drift not too much off, drop not too much off, and completely dodges the I270GF (Ingwe 270 Gay Factor)
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