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Funny thing happened the other day. I had three .257 Roberts rifles and thought three is a bit too many so rebarrelled one to 7x64. Then last weekend I got on the Used Guns website and there is a Ruger Ultralight in "Perfect" condition. In .257 Roberts of course. The dealer is selling it for a mate and thinks there's a very good chance his mate has never even fired it. I ummed and aahed for a couple of hours but I knew it was pointless so now I am back on three Roberts's again. I always wanted an Ultralight in .257R despite already having one in .250 Savage.......and another in .308. The Roberts is one of those very few cartridges that has that power over me. 3 is too many? You'd hate my world, 15 in 257 Roberts, plus 2 more in 257AI. Admittedly I only shoot two of them very often, a Remington 700 CDL-SF that is bedded in a McM Hunter and a Ruger 77mk2 Ultralight that has had the barrel shortened from 20" to 18.5" and installed in an RSI stock.
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260remguy: can you PM me? I have a question for you and you’re over you PM limit . Thanks.
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That'll do. Top 100gr Hornady @ 2895,4,7 Bottom 117grHornady RN@ 2750ish ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/VC3AE6Z.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/njMZBZK.jpg)
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Congratulations on a fine rifle. I'm not surprised by the way it shoots. I've had my Mannlicher 1952 model 30 plus years and it shoots like that consistently. Doesn't vary point of impact from year to year probably due to that plain wood being stable. I shoot 100 grain bullets at a moderate velocity and it has accounted for a lot of deer over the years. It is a joy to cary in the deer woods. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have enjoyed mine. Mine is headed to my Grandson in a few more years and I look forward to watching him enjoy it. I already have a Kimber Hunter in 257 to take it's place.
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I am looking forward to hunting with it. It's very handy and lightweight. It will also be interesting to see the difference between in and the 257 Weatherby with the same bullet's effect on deer....
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Likely more edible meat. 😀
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I got lucky and found a 1954 Model 70 in 257 Roberts at 98%. This thread is going to make me go out and shoot it some more..
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Likely more edible meat. 😀 If one is into eating venison that much I suppose, but I can almost guarantee you, the Roberts won't have the same DRT percentages as the Weatherby.
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Likely more edible meat. 😀 If one is into eating venison that much I suppose, but I can almost guarantee you, the Roberts won't have the same DRT percentages as the Weatherby. It probably won't. Nevertheless, wielded well the Roberts is still a sure deer killer. My deer camp mate and I have no problems at all with short barreled 243's and my 250 Savage with similar ballistics. Since it appears losing some meat isn't a deal breaker for you, I'll say try to include some of the running gear in your shot selection if it still lines up the vitals, rather than a pure lung shot. At the moderate speed you're launching them the 25 cal 100 grain Interlock is stout enough for shoulder shots.
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math: I have no doubts the Roberts will kill and do it well. Saw it personally when Pugs took a very large Axis and I think he used 110Accubonds. What did you think of the velocities I obtained and the targets?
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I can't see them right now, but trusting my recall I'd say the targets were pretty good for the type of rifle. Full stocked rifles with light, narrow stocks having noticeable drop are not the formula for precise bench shooting. I have a similar full stock Steyr in 308 that's a handful on the bench compared to my 40X.  The velocities were near 2900 if I remember right. That seems like a reasonable and prudent level to me.
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I can't see them right now, but trusting my recall I'd say the targets were pretty good for the type of rifle. Full stocked rifles with light, narrow stocks having noticeable drop are not the formula for precise bench shooting. I have a similar full stock Steyr in 308 that's a handful on the bench compared to my 40X. The velocities were near 2900 if I remember right. That seems like a reasonable and prudent level to me. Thanks. I shot it weekend before last up at Hatari's place and the 100gr loads w 46gr H-4350 grouped well all touching and well under .5 . The group here with the same load (ten shots) just under 1" and the three shot group with the 117 RNs right at 1"
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I can't see them right now, but trusting my recall I'd say the targets were pretty good for the type of rifle. Full stocked rifles with light, narrow stocks having noticeable drop are not the formula for precise bench shooting. I have a similar full stock Steyr in 308 that's a handful on the bench compared to my 40X. The velocities were near 2900 if I remember right. That seems like a reasonable and prudent level to me. Thanks. I shot it weekend before last up at Hatari's place and the 100gr loads w 46gr H-4350 grouped well all touching and well under .5 . The group here with the same load (ten shots) just under 1" and the three shot group with the 117 RNs right at 1" Ten shots under an inch? I'll revise "pretty good" to f'n excellent.
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I can't see them right now, but trusting my recall I'd say the targets were pretty good for the type of rifle. Full stocked rifles with light, narrow stocks having noticeable drop are not the formula for precise bench shooting. I have a similar full stock Steyr in 308 that's a handful on the bench compared to my 40X. The velocities were near 2900 if I remember right. That seems like a reasonable and prudent level to me. Thanks. I shot it weekend before last up at Hatari's place and the 100gr loads w 46gr H-4350 grouped well all touching and well under .5 . The group here with the same load (ten shots) just under 1" and the three shot group with the 117 RNs right at 1" Ten shots under an inch? I'll revise "pretty good" to f'n excellent. Sorry, make that eight. Two groups of four (plus one fouling shot at 4 o'clock)..
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I'll have to agree with mathman on his assessment of your accuracy and velocity. Now go forth and slay many critters.
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What velocity is attainable in the Roberts with a 20 inch barrel? I'm about to pick up my Ruger Ultralight and have never loaded for a 20 inch Bob before. I get about 3100 - 3150fps in 22 inch barrels with 100gn bullets and H4350. I assume around 2950 - 3000fps would be attainable with 100gn Hornadys.
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You should be right at 3100
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What velocity is attainable in the Roberts with a 20 inch barrel? I'm about to pick up my Ruger Ultralight and have never loaded for a 20 inch Bob before. I get about 3100 - 3150fps in 22 inch barrels with 100gn bullets and H4350. I assume around 2950 - 3000fps would be attainable with 100gn Hornadys.
Thanks. I obtained excellent accuracy results (see my posts above) with 46gr of IMR 4350, which is about 2.5gr above max book for the 100gr with my MS with a 20" barrel. There were a couple of other gents here who obtained higher velocities, but with a different powder and longer barrels. I' ok where I am at 2900 and besides, that's why I have a 257 Weatherby 
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257R pressure caps are so conservative compared to its 6mm Rem cousin, I see no problem running a few grains over book max.
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