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Thanks guys. I considered the 210 - but what advantage does it have over a 30-06, 200 gr Partition at 2700? I love my .338-06, but if you're looking to justify something "more" than a .30-06 with a 200 gr bullet, you need to go a lot bigger, IMO. I built mine to be the "big gun" companion to my 7mm-08 deer rifle. After churning more guns than I care to think about since I built the .338-06 back in 2002, I'm right back to my original thought! A 7mm-08 Montana and the .338-06 Mnt Rifle. On a side note, do guys actually achieve 2700fps with 200grain bullets in the .30-06? I read that was very hard to do due to the long bearing surface. ???
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Thanks guys. An interweb search indicates alot of guys use the 210 NPT and 210 Swift SC II on elk in both the 338-06 and its big brother.
It also looks like 2775 is possible with 210s and 2675 with 225s. With the high BC possible in both those weights, they shoot flat out to 400 yards which is farther than I plan to use this rig - but you never know when one will show up across the meadow.
If anyone wants to share their favorite 338-06 with 210 or 225 recipes, that'd be ok <G> My good buddy runs the 210 Partition with RL15 in his 338-06.. I believe it runs an even 2750 and 22-250 accurate as well. Isn't much from the 185 TTSX up through a 225 whatever I wouldn't use in a 338 for hunting elk. Even with a set of Dots in the scope it should be danged easy to dope to at least 400 yards. The Swift/Partition/TTSX 210's are all I need for elk for the ranges I shoot. I just can't see anything doing a much better job than what any of those do.
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You might try the 200 Gr Trophy Bonded Tip as well. My Sako 85 338 Federal loves them (1-10 twist)
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You might try the 200 Gr Trophy Bonded Tip as well. My Sako 85 338 Federal loves them (1-10 twist) Are these available for reloading?
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I'm running the factory ammo but the bullets up to .30 cal for now will be available. I assume they'll release the 338 version at some point.
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On a side note, do guys actually achieve 2700fps with 200grain bullets in the .30-06? I read that was very hard to do due to the long bearing surface. ???
I've asked the same question.
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The 225g AB has provided broadside pass-thrus on each of the elk I've shot with them.
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Thanks guys. I considered the 210 - but what advantage does it have over a 30-06, 200 gr Partition at 2700? What really has an advantage over a .30-06 for 99% of big game hunting in North America? It will do just about anything any of us need. Everything else is just to keep things interesting. That said, 200's at 2700 for is a pretty good push for a 30-06. My 338-06 AI gets 210 PTs going well over 2800 fps with ease. It's a little bit more of everything and more interesting.
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Anyone ever try any of the Sierra 338 bullets on elk? The 215 is a light bullet for the 338 and the 225 should work as well. I've had really good luck with Sierras running at vels less than 2800.
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I read somewhere that they are pretty soft, so never bothered with them. Maybe someone here has some current experience with them.
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Thanks guys. I considered the 210 - but what advantage does it have over a 30-06, 200 gr Partition at 2700? I love my .338-06, but if you're looking to justify something "more" than a .30-06 with a 200 gr bullet, you need to go a lot bigger, IMO. I built mine to be the "big gun" companion to my 7mm-08 deer rifle. After churning more guns than I care to think about since I built the .338-06 back in 2002, I'm right back to my original thought! A 7mm-08 Montana and the .338-06 Mnt Rifle. On a side note, do guys actually achieve 2700fps with 200grain bullets in the .30-06? I read that was very hard to do due to the long bearing surface. ??? Nosler shows 2688 fps with the 200g out of a 24" barrel. Pretty close.
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On a side note, do guys actually achieve 2700fps with 200grain bullets in the .30-06? I read that was very hard to do due to the long bearing surface. ???
I've asked the same question. I've done it with several 24" barreled 06's with RL-17 and 22, 200 gr Partitions or Accubonds, makes a really hard punching '06 to 500 yards, both bullets fly really well, accurate too. I used W-W brass and CCI-250 primers, COL's ran 3.340"
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225 NAB or SST, 2600/2650. Only slayed elk or seen em slayed a half dozen times with each. Both knocked ‘em f’n flat, EVERY time. Cows and bulls. It’s actually too much gun. A 260 or 6.5 creed will yield the same end result... a dead elk. Jumping thirty thousanths in bore diameter from .308 to .338, and backwards in SD, to shoot a weight already commonly available in the original diameter, at a similar velocity, is borderline retarded, at best.
Viable bullets in 338s start at 225, and go UP from there.
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Jumping thirty thousanths in bore diameter from .308 to .338, and backwards in SD, to shoot a weight already commonly available in the original diameter, at a similar velocity, is borderline retarded, at best. So is 99% of the schit we talk about on here. In the end, if it's interesting to a guy then it's worth doing. A 210 PT chugging along at 2700fsp isn't exactly going to bounce off an elk.
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Anyone ever try any of the Sierra 338 bullets on elk? The 215 is a light bullet for the 338 and the 225 should work as well. I've had really good luck with Sierras running at vels less than 2800. I actually heard the 215's were on the hard side, so never bothered trying them.
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210 TTSX and have never looked back for moose. YMMV.
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Some years back I made up a dummy round with a 210 Nosler in it and asked a 'smith to build a rifle around it. Only 210 Noslers have ever been fired in it. Seven Elk down, five one shot kills. It was made for my often deployed Grandson who can't hunt with it every year. Tracks gave the answer I’d have given, and has the experience to back it up. When I had a 338-06 all it got fed was the 210 NP. That and a 200 NBT or NAB are what I’d run in it. When I used a 338 WM all it got fed was the 210 NP too... I believe, like the 270/130, it kills out of proportion to its “numbers”, and I never found it lacking on bull elk. My friend Dober swears by the 200 NBT in the 338-06 and has killed bull elk with it.
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Anyone ever try any of the Sierra 338 bullets on elk? The 215 is a light bullet for the 338 and the 225 should work as well. I've had really good luck with Sierras running at vels less than 2800. I actually heard the 215's were on the hard side, so never bothered trying them. The Sierra guy said that as well. I should have clarified my initial post on this. My concern is with bullet being too tough for 338-06 velocities. I'm assuming most 338 bullets are made for her 338 WM and run a couple hundred ft/sec faster than the 338-06.
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Yes, that’s what Sierra says, but it still doesn’t make sense. The 215 didn’t open on dry magazines at 338-06 muzzle velocity. That’s not that far away with a winmag.
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225 NAB or SST, 2600/2650. Only slayed elk or seen em slayed a half dozen times with each. Both knocked ‘em f’n flat, EVERY time. Cows and bulls. It’s actually too much gun. A 260 or 6.5 creed will yield the same end result... a dead elk. Jumping thirty thousanths in bore diameter from .308 to .338, and backwards in SD, to shoot a weight already commonly available in the original diameter, at a similar velocity, is borderline retarded, at best.
Viable bullets in 338s start at 225, and go UP from there. Yea, a 185 TTSX at over 3000 FPS just wouldn’t work at all. Rolling eyes at stupid comments.
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