That’s a pretty poor comparison. That trigger is designed and marketed as a “rolling break” and it really shouldn’t be compared to a traditional trigger.
All I'll say is if you are pulling through the 2nd stage in a rapid fire string, you are not doing it correctly and in my prime I"d have beaten you every time.
I think some target shooters have a different definition of "rapid fire" than the rest of us. I'm guessing MM was talking about pulling the trigger as fast as possible, not 1 round in 10 seconds or whatever the long range target shooters think is rapid fire.
Ummm NTIT is as fast as you can get aimed fire down range. Even unaimed if you don't care about winning... that was generally around 40 rounds give or take in 50 seconds including a reload....for me... tad bit different than 1 round in 10 seconds. Click,click, bang, repeat... faster than one can type it... IIRC the most hits I"ve ever had was 46...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
That's funny. I guess some of these guys do suppressive fire with their semi autos.
Ever try to hit multiple small hogs running like Hell before they disappear into thick brush?
In this case, "suppressive fire" means trying to suppress the sheer numbers of hogs on a piece of property.
Ed
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Dang sure a yes on pigs... doesn't take long for them to escape. Dang sure never got a 20 round mag off on them.. and the one dang time I found a sounder in an open field my nephew had my gun and was just wasting time... I should have taken it from him, but I really wanted him to get a hog.. that time I co uld have gotten 20 aimed shots off.
Tyrone, I wouldn't call aimed fire suppressive when each round hits the target.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
Only hits count. If you are shooting faster than you can make good hits on your target, you are shooting too fast (unless it's suppressive fire). You are not going to make any hits, much less good hits, pulling the trigger as fast as possible unless your target is huge/close.
I'll let you all in on a little secret - Just because you have 60 seconds to get off 10 sustained fire shots doesn't mean you have to take that long. You just have to slow down enough to make good hits.
Some of the smart cookies finish with enough time to take care of any malfunctions/other screw ups.
I guess "waste" is entirely subjective. To some, sighting in their rifle once a year or checking to make sure the rifle scope is still zeroed right before deer season is the only time they shoot. Those types have no clue what a "good/great" trigger is all about... I'm about to go to the range right now and "waste" some targets ... Absolutely NO ammo will be wasted. I'm taking my Noveske AR15 with its Geissele SSA-E out and compare that to my new AR10's national match trigger... That's a good measure of how one feels over the other. Just printed out some targets... Ye hah... See ya...
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Um, I believe I know all that. LOL. Always had a buffer in rapids.
No buffers in NTIT because the targets just go away and you are "never" out of ammo depending on your fire plan.
I loved shooting straight away. But they generally had me as a swing man because I shot well and could snag NPA so I was still centered on the 2nd target after the mag change. I don't recall missing many shots. Only if the wind call was wrong.
And then you had to shoot so slowly at first for the coaches watching you, to see if the wind call was good before you could pick up the pace that it was annoying...
Anyway I don't shoot faster than I can make hits. Its counter productive IMHO.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
I've a new Springfield AR that I like quite a bit except for the trigger. It HAS to go! I'm looking for something in the 2.5-3.5 lb pull range, price < 200 $. I am flying blind when it comes to ARs so any advice is appreciated.
IMO the Rock River two-stage is tough to beat for the money. Especially when on sale.
I installed a Trigger Tech in one of mine not long ago and I love it. Pretty much anything you buy will make you happy over the factory trigger in your AR. And I think the Saint triggers are pretty good actually.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
In all seriousness, I've never changed out a trigger in anything. It's always been a matter of learning that weapons quirks and flaws. The only trigger I've even installed was in the lower for my AR, and that was donated to my build by a friend as he upgraded to a Timmony trigger. I see the price tags on some of these triggers, and can't see how it could be worth the money. This might sound like sacrilege, but to me, a trigger is just a trigger.
Incredible insight.
Thanks for sharing.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
... Absolutely NO ammo will be wasted. I'm taking my Noveske AR15 with its Geissele SSA-E out and compare that to my new AR10's national match trigger... That's a good measure of how one feels over the other. Just printed out some targets... Ye hah... See ya...
