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Yawn, the 308's like sex in the missionary position with a fugly wife and with the lights out..but it works.
PS: I don't own a 308  R O F I had one 308...... Jerry
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Yawn - 100 years from now our descendants will be having this debate.
Meanwhile the Creedmoor will have the history then like the Swede does now.
And the 270 will still be alive. JOC, Jerry, and JB will be smiling, and perhaps chuckling.
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In my experience the 308 tends to be easier to load for and on the average...much more accurate.
That being said I don't really love either cartridge. Id much rather have a 270, 280, or 7mm08.
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Never could get horned up over the .308, I know guys that have used them but they never did anything for me. In comparing the .308 and the 30-06 the 30-06 always seems to be the one that can do a lot of things real well. A guy can shoot 150-155 gr bullets that buck wind pretty well at 3000-3100 FPS for medium sized game or you could load up 200’s at 2700 for the biggest of critters. Of course my observations are for real world hunting not plinking steel at 800 yards. Hence the 6.5 fan base always interjecting with buuuut what about bucking the wind. To each their own.
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I'm a disciple of the School of Hack. 30-06 with 168TTSX. I'm sure a .308 can come close but don't think I give anything up by choosing the 06.
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W.D.M. ‘Karamoja’ Bell, the famous elephant hunter who was a proponent of the 7x57 for the pachyderms, stated the shorter bolt throw would have made the .308 Winchester the best elephant cartridge ever. Compare that to the impeccable reputation and nostalgia that comes with the Springfield case, and you’ve got a tough choice. Not with the 30-06 loaded with 220gr fmj loads! The 308 is a light weight flinger! The 6.5x55 and 7x57 will kill elephants because of the heavy bullets. Remington did not get the memo with the 260rem. Just as a footnote, Bell started out using the 6.5x55 and only switched to a 7x57 when he had a problem getting ammo.
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When they invented the '06, they should have just stopped.......how cold it get any better? Perfect recoil to power ratio, accuracy, large range of bullet weights, sexy shaped cartridge, War credentials.....It helped save the World....twice! What else do you need in a cartridge? A .308 is fine.......if you can't get an '06. Now, jump on me.. :^) Well if you insist on shouting, let me point this out. 1. The .308 only exists because they wanted a "shorter" 30/06. 2. The .30 Caliber Government of 1906 ONLY exists because of 3 things: a. The Krag was shown to be inferior to the Mauser 93 on the battlefield. b. The US Army was hung up on .30 cal AND the 8x57is was proven to be superior to the .30/03. c. The US was trying to avoid paying Mauser royalties for ripping off his designs.(Frankly if they were going to do that they should have ripped off the 98 not the 93, as it has MUCH better gas handling properties and was an overall superior design to ANY bolt action made at the time, arguably since).
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According to his book he started with the 256
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W.D.M. ‘Karamoja’ Bell, the famous elephant hunter who was a proponent of the 7x57 for the pachyderms, stated the shorter bolt throw would have made the .308 Winchester the best elephant cartridge ever. Compare that to the impeccable reputation and nostalgia that comes with the Springfield case, and you’ve got a tough choice. Not with the 30-06 loaded with 220gr fmj loads! The 308 is a light weight flinger! The 6.5x55 and 7x57 will kill elephants because of the heavy bullets. Remington did not get the memo with the 260rem. Just as a footnote, Bell started out using the 6.5x55 and only switched to a 7x57 when he had a problem getting ammo. He also had issues with the long 160 gr. FMJ bullets bending and changing direction.
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He also had issues with the long 160 gr. FMJ bullets bending and changing direction. That is another interesting foot note and one I was not aware of. I know elephant have been killed with all manner of weapons. I have read the 30-06 with 220 solids is a fair performer and adequate on smaller female.
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Just to add more nausea to the Bell/Elephant killing herring, the 308 Win has arguably taken more elephants than all other rounds singly, and possibly all other rounds combined...
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No, the 7.62x39 has killed more elephants than any other cartridge over the last 60 years.
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No, the 7.62x39 has killed more elephants than any other cartridge over the last 60 years. I think you’re right...
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No reason to argue other than to kill time until the snow and mud at the range dries up. Anchored with a few .270 Win's, I've stepped over both and into the 300 Win Mag. to get a little more separation of performance. They are all good - depends on your needs.
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Heretic. Burn him. 
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I’d lay my bet the 7.62x51. The 7.62 NATO rules the roost over there imho
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No reason to argue other than to kill time until the snow and mud at the range dries up. Anchored with a few .270 Win's, I've stepped over both and into the 300 Win Mag. to get a little more separation of performance. They are all good - depends on your needs. I have one 30-06 because it’s just so American... But otherwise I know where you’re coming from and I agree. Jerry
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I like the 30-06. You really have to go to the 9.3x62 or .338 WM level to get a noticeable increase in power and it has little fuss and muss. I like the .308 too but when I go on that side of the 30-06 spectrum I tend to go with a 7mm-08 or something like that.
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There isn't enough difference to over ride that the best choice is whichever rifle you prefer.
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I'd hate to collect data on how many humans and game animals have fallen to the 30-06 Springfield and 7.62x51 NATO/308 Win. It would be cumbersome to say the least. Years back I was reading a J. Barsness article on the 308 Win. He had indicated that in loading for both he had discovered, on average, that the 30-06 showed greater accuracy similar to the 308 Win when loaded to 308 Win velocities. Once velocity was increased in the 30-06 it's accuracy somewhat decreased. Any 30-06 owners see better accuracy with reduced velocities? I shoot the 308 Win, but can't see anything between the two that would cause me to lose sleep.
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