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Why am I not surprised by Remsen's tale?

Give it up, Smokey, the funding doesn't lie. You've got 158 million acres for you and your pals. Isn't that enough?

You've got 158 million acres for you and your pals. Isn't that enough?

Dave, maybe you should give it up. You have had your ass handed to you a couple of times on this thread.

Dave's had his ass handed to him so many times he thinks it's a TV dinner.

Dave, I've got news for you. Those aren't mashed potatoes, and that ain't gravy.

Dave's had his ass handed to him so many times he thinks it's a TV dinner.

Dave, I've got news for you. Those aren't mashed potatoes, and that ain't gravy.

Your defensiveness betrays you.

Just found this relating to the BHA. Read it for what its worth.

https://www.greendecoys.com/decoys/backcountry-hunters-and-anglers/

"Most prominent is BHA executive director Land Tawney, who ran the liberal political action committee (PAC) calling itself the “Montana Hunters and Anglers Leadership Fund” (MHA). In 2012, this pop-up PAC spent $1.1 million against Republican U.S. Senate candidate Denny Rehberg, who was challenging Democratic U.S. Sen. Jon Tester. The liberal MHA also spent $500,000 in support of the libertarian candidate as a strategy of drawing votes away from the Republican. MHA received several hundred thousand dollars from the League of Conservation Voters, a liberal environmentalist group. Tawney is also a member of the Montana Sportsmen for Obama Committee and previously served as the National Grassroots Coordinator for the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership, which, like BHA, is an environmentalist front that poses as a hunter and fisher group."

Defensiveness? What I said was offensive as hell. Which Dave richly deserves of course, and I know he'd do the same for me. I expect no less. This is culture war at its finest.

Timber, you know that BHA and TRCP are front groups and totally anti-development, right? The only access they care about is walk-in access, nonmotorized only, for "quiet use" -- these groups didn't spring up from grassroots, they began with large foundational grants, Pew Trusts started TRCP with money laundered through Trout Unlimited, and BHA was nothing until the big Green foundations started cutting THEM checks.
And I have to love Smoker's attitude about Yvon, who is a first-rate hypocrite, all that high tech gear raped from the earth so he can sell it to people wanting to escape modernity. What the heck, the money is being spent the way Smoker wants it spent.

So, TR, how do you GET to the "non-motorized access?" Float on your magic carpet, right?

And that line about "liquidation" is a total lie. There's no capitalist interest in buying these lands to bulldoze them as there's no market. In fact, the forestry REITs are sniffing around, hoping to sell their PRIVATE stuff -- the problem is, they want to sell at a price mjultiples of what the land is actually worth. Forests will stay forests, sage will stay sage. There are only a few trophy buyers out there and they only have so much money. Only fringe lands would ever be privatized and only in the narrowest scenarioes, like near a relatively few cities and towns needing expansion room.

As for the "country-club" Republicans, those are your allies in this, the ones being squeezed for getting in bed with the Greens. The Bush administration was rife with clubbers.

don't know squat about them other than a liberal I know in Homer loves them.