Starman,
Well with reference to Mr Echols...
he designed his synthetic stock and has it manufactured to his quality standards..
So Echols McMilans are better made than all the other McMillans?....are there two grades of McM stocks..?
All I know is that Echols will first recieve Legend stocks before sending them out to customers who ordered,
just to make sure its been done correctly by McM ( as best he can tell from the outside)... McM can at times
send out stocks with sub-std inletting,.. I've seen such myself and gather D'Arcy has also..Echols simply 'ups'
the quality control.
Echols offers Edge, std or heavy fill just like McM does.
He makes his own scope mounts that are fit to each action and scope..
His proprietary scope mounts are made by an outside machine shop, The Echols shop then finish machines
them to each individual rifle build.
As I said already... his bottom metal, scope mounts, action screws and things like his replacement magnum Mauser
bolt stops are outsourced, as are various other major build components like actions ,stocks, barrels.
He rebuilds each M70 action to standards that are unmatched by anybody.
Not true , there are other very rare smiths who do the same exact high grade refurb of both M70s and M98s.
from squaring everything, removing all machine marks, recutting threads, reheat-treatment, etc ..even individually
machining up complete new custom M70 triggers with better geometry.
I know because a friend and I have both had it done, ... those smiths will use Echols bottom metal at times.,
one will also make complete BM from scratch in his shop one at a time for the individual customers requirements,
'one of' bolt handles made to my specific dimensions, 'one of' grip caps and sling bases, scratch built precision
actions screws, cross bolts, scratch built express sights and ribs, inside rails all hand stoned to remove machine marks,
weld and re-machine blind action screw holes ..etc,etc,etc
He designed the bottom metal used on his Legend rifles.
Like other BM designers Echols has modified an already long existing Oberndorf bow release straddle design.
His design improvements are practical and not gimmicky.
Oh and he rarely uses pre64’s
rarely?....Legends are based on pre64 or newer Classic...Ive seen more std calibre Legends on pre64
than the classic action.
He does prefer the classic for long magnum rounds like .375H&H, .458lott,
but that won't stop Echols building a customer a long magnum Pre64.
Joe Smithson, He has designed and built special purpose triggers. He has similar ideas of perfection as Echols. He routinely
fabricates one of a kind iron sights, and any other part he needs. He just finished a 458 on which he built a special floor plate
to accommodate extra cartridges. That rifle has a one of a kind rear sight base for a red dot sight.
The fellow who built rifles for my friend and myself will do/has done ALL that... and every bit to the std of Echols,
Smithson and Martini.
He has had and still does have work orders to last him many yrs without putting his name out there, and refuses to put
his name out there....Someone every bit the equal of Echols, as busy as hell yr in yr out , but virtually unknown by 99.95% ,
hard to to believe ...but true!
..In Echols shop there is tooling for an action or two that he fiddled with but was smart enough to decide not to build.
If D'Arcy doesn't want to venture into action building thats fine, some in the US have bragged about the idea but never done it,
others have tried and in the end failed as a business.
Hartmann & Weiss are successful at building new premium Mauser actions in two sizes, as well as
premium SxS double rifle and U/O shotgun actions and the Hagn design single shot action in three sizes.
Despite all the love for the pre64 , no US maker seems able to bring a custom production version to market.
Peter Noreen tried it once yrs ago, but metalsmith Mr. Blackburn rated the action 4/10 on the quality scale....lol.
Those two have capabilities that are a world apart from machinists who screw barrels into custom actions
and then bed them into stock made by various outfits.
Of course they do, but skill-talent and knowledge doesn't stop with Echols.
I remember Echols expressing the view that attempting WSM in a Kurz small ring would be an extreme gutsy challenge
' not for the faint hearted' IIRC (and not even advisable in his mind ) given that size barrel tenon diameter.
Hartmann & Weiss and Martin Hagn-Ralf Martini have been making and offering such rifles since the early 2000s
Echols frowns apon-wont use a std.98 for a large case .416 Rigby, yet long before his time some unknown capable smiths
at Rigby were making that combination work.....and that served PHs like Harry Selby flawlessly for decades.