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I'm outta this thread.

Those that condone the hypocrisy of the church covering up sex abuse for centuries and running a red herring up the pole to focus attention on other institutes are the reason it gets covered up by anyone.

It's wrong no matter who does it, or who covers it up.

I'm not condoning it. It should have been adjudicated long ago. That is, if you could have even found a public official who cared enough about it even 60 years ago to press charges. If you think this is/was limited to the Catholic church, you need to wake up. It's every church, every organization that involves youth. ALL of them have covered it up.

The Catholic church has made great strides in child protection while at least one institution locks people up for pointing out abuse.

Yea, I find it pretty interesting that just acknowledging that his is not the universal view, as demonstrated in this election, is enough to brand a person a Nazi.

Remind me of the Left branding everyone who disagrees with them a Racist.

Violent crime has dropped since Roe v. Wade, if anything, it's lead to a more orderly, not a less orderly society.

This goes right along with the Irish being encouraged to take in Afreakin!/muslim immigrants into their spare bedrooms.

Did anyone notice this baseless and deliberately misleading attempt to state "cause and effect" !!

That's 1 way of twisting the truth, abortions directly effect my 2nd amendment rights...interesting logic lol

I'm not Catholic, I'm not a woman, it's none of my concern...the SCOTUS has decided, that makes it the law of the land to me. Whether we pay for it is another conversation all together.

Kinda like Pirates and Global Warming

For some whom others label as "religious" and whose tenets are challenged on the basis of that label, the fundament of their beliefs and practices are not related to a "church" organization and/or a human codified religious doctrine. Their tenets and practices are based on a personal relationship with a God and Savior. Build a case - and related accusations - against that fact, if you will.

The moral tenets of some are derived from such a relationship - while the same or similar moral tenets of others are based on other factors. Nonetheless, those moral tenets are applied to the conduct of lives, and are important. One of those tenets pertains to the murder of defenseless other beings.

There has been a lot of obfuscatory and PC rhetoric applied by those who wish to avoid or deflect from the obvious - like the vapid "right to choose". Of course a woman has the right to control her own body. So be it. That includes the choice keeping it clean and healthy, or being filthy and abusing herself with all sorts of harmful stuff, or doing things somewhere in between. So be it. That includes her decisions about whether or not to enable her pregnancy - or avoid it. So be it. It's her choice

But - does the woman have a right to murder an individual living being she chose to enable - a being that is not herself? For convenience, Hitler murdered many, many Jews - and others. For convenience, Stalin murdered a whole bunch of folks. Pol Pot did much the same - and so have many other powerful figures. Yes - those murders are grand-scale events of murder for convenience. Is a single murder for convenience any less egregious?

Given the current legal frameworks, pregnant women in many places can choose to murder for convenience. How is her convenience any different or more significant than that of Hitler, or Stalin, or Pol Pot, or ??? It appears that the act of willful abortion is as much a mark of destruction for the woman as it is for the child she murders. As a society, we have become complicit. Anyone care to try to form that into "religiosity"?

Say someone walks up to a pregnant woman on the street and punches them in the stomach.

Woman loses the baby.

What is the charge the pin on him?

If the intent were to kill the unborn child, that's murder.

Nope, I just hold certain truths to be "self-evident". The fact that some view it as a religious persecution and not universal is either a commie, someone with an agenda, a Nazi or someone with a guilty conscience. If it doesnt apply to you, you dont have a problem with it.

I realize this is about Ireland, but I dont have any delusions that plenty have a problem with it even in my town.

Assault with bodily harm.

Not just wrong, but very wrong. I've already mentioned the study, the economist and university in this discussion.

No,

Kind of like a peer reviewed journal article:

https://academic.oup.com/qje/article-abstract/116/2/379/1904158

If your position was so "self evident" it wouldn't be the minority position in Ireland and the U.S.

Okay, now explain how you can justify forcing a woman to bear a child she does not want...it is not your body.

That is the problem here, some still see women as chattel.


I personally do not want to see abortion become common place and most definitely do not want it to raise it's ugly head in my family...but it is NOT MY choice to make.

And all of you that rant about the left and the anti-2nd mobs that infringe your freedom...take a good hard look in a mirror.

And if you still feel a need to infringe the right of women and force them to bear children then you are not conservative and you do not value personal freedom, you are a control freak just like the rest of the filth.

Exactly, we ALL expect our freedoms & liberties not be infringed upon,,,but some choose hypocritically to control others choices.