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aalf,
A more accurate way of comparing "functional" case capacity is to use water in fired brass, with the same bullet seated to standard cartridge overall length.
The 6.5 PRC has a longer OAL length than the 6.5 GAP (the most popular version of the 6.5 SAUM). The 6.5 GAP's throat is designed for a standard short-action magazine about 2.85" long, while the 6.5 PRC's OAL is about .1 inch longer. Am guessing, pending having fired brass for the 6.5 PRC, that capacity is pretty similatr between the two rounds, though the 6.5 GAP might still have a slight edge.
At any rate, there's no practical ballistic difference between the PRC and GAP. The choice would come down to factory ammo for the PRC, and functioning in a standard short magazine for the GAP. That is, IF somebody prefers the GAP version of the 6.5 SAUM.
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Gofaster, what I meant by Creedmoor advantages are accurate, reasonable priced factory ammunition and a case design that allows for the most efficient seating of high ballistic coefficient bullets in a short action.
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Mule Deer,
I have been unable to find a factory rifle in 6.5 PRC. Montana Rifle Company has shipped a few blued rifles,and the Sauer 100 is supposedly available but I could not locate one anywhere.
I finally ordered one of the Montana Rifle X3 rifles. I think the Montana Rifle short action with it's 3.1 inch magazine should be a good fit. Also thinking about having a Model 70 Extreme Weather rebarreled from 300WSM to 6.5 PRC because it too has a 3.1 inch magazine.
What action did you pick to rebarrel and which factory rifle do you expect to test for your article?
Although the cartridge has been marketed well,and factory ammo is everywhere,the rifles are pretty much in the realm of unobtainium.
We have a couple MRC’s in the shop.. I went to your website and didn't find a 6.5 PRC MRC rifle or any other 6.5 PRC. Did I miss them? The internet guys probably hadn’t added them yet. I told them to do so, but they’ve been busy. Send me an email and we’ll get you the info you want. darrik  whittakerguns.com
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It should be great, but I haven't fired one yet--or even seen one fired.
I am, however, assigned to do an article on handloading the 6.5 PRC for the 2019 Hodgdon Annual Manual, and since the deadline is September will have experience pretty soon. Am getting one of my rifles rebarreled in 6.5 PRC for the project, and will have another custom rifle, and perhaps a factory rifle to try as well. Is the factory rifle a Sauer? That one, at that price point, has my interest a bit.
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Yep, it will be a Sauer--if it shows up in time for the deadline.
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My PRC is finished, and has been shipped from GA Precision....
A week from now, I'll have a couple hundred rounds through it....
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Cool! What are the rifle details?
Am expecting to get the first of 2-3 test rifles within the next week or so.
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Mule Deer, which Sauer? 100 XT Classic?
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I asked for a 100 XT Classic if possible, but they'll send one of the other models is all that's available by September 1st.
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Sweet, there is a dearth of info on the Sauer rifles.... looking forward to this article!
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My PRC is finished, and has been shipped from GA Precision....
A week from now, I'll have a couple hundred rounds through it.... Nice. what model?
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The 6.5 PRC has a case capacity almost identical to 6.5mm cases based upon 30/06 type cases. So it's performance is lineball with the 6.5-06, 6.5-284 and the 6.5 Remington Magnum.
This puts it maybe 200fps ahead of the 260/6.5 Creed/6.5Lapua and 150 to 200fps behind the 6.5 SAUM/6.5 GAP (same thing).
It is about 300fps behind a modern handloaded 264 Win Mag, 6.5 Nosler or 6.5x68mm.
As with any comparison, the larger the case, the more it can throw heavier bullets proportionately faster than the smaller capacities. WRONG... https://press.hornady.com/assets/site/hornady/files/load-data/6.5-prc-v2.pdf PRC 3200 with 143 26" barrel. more like 500 fps over Creed Well, according to Hornady the 6.5PRC is right up there with my 270 Win!!!Now I call that real advancement to equal a 80 + year old cartridge. 
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Yep, it will be a Sauer--if it shows up in time for the deadline. Glad to hear it and I hope it does!
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Was kind of surprised to see quite a variety of 6.5 PRC factory ammo as well as brass at sportsman’s Warehouse but so few rifles chambered in the 6.5 PRC. I might have to give one a run when they are available. Creedmoor was blah and anemic to me, but the numbers for the 6.5 PRC peak my interest.
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Cool! What are the rifle details?
Am expecting to get the first of 2-3 test rifles within the next week or so. GAP V2 Hunter Action #4 Bartlein 24", 1-8" 5R, threaded 5/8-24, with thread protector/muzzle brake Manners EH-1, GAP camo PT&G DBM Jewell trigger I'll probably put a Kahles K318, in Near rings on it.
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Let’s see.... the PRC has less capacity than the SAUM. The 7 SAUM has about the same capacity as a 280 Ackely. So, the PRC must have about the same capacity as a 6.5-06, which is just a little bigger than a 6.5-284.
Guys in these parts are claiming speeds of well over 2950-3000 from their PRC’s with 140’s. They tell me 3150-3200 is easy. I have suggested they are running pretty high pressures but they mumble something about short powder columns and modern powders.
I say pressure is pretty darned high.
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Rick,
As I noted earlier, the practical powder room in both the PRC and 6.5 SAUM is very close to the same, partly because the PRC's overall cartridge length is longer than the most popular version of the 6.5 SAUM, the GAP. (Will know more about that shortly, when I have fired brass from both for actual comparisons.) The pressure-tested data I have from a major powder company indicates 2950-3000 with 140's is about it in a 24" barrel from the PRC, but am not surprised some people say they're getting more.
Generally "worked up" pressures are at least 70,000 PSI, and in harder brass sometimes 75,000. No pressure-tested data, however, for the .264 Winchester Magnum (which has a lot more powder capacity than either the 6.5 PRC or GAP, despite the antique belt on the .264) shows anywhere near 3200 fps in a 24-inch barrel. Around 3100 is more the norm.
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it would be so cool to see Ruger make a run of American Rifles in 6.5 Rem Mag, along with Hornady making a ton of quality inexpensive brass, and several high quality factory hunting loads ($25 for 20 rounds) with uber high BC bullets... just to see if they could breathe life into the old girl. I would buy one. Hodgdon shows a load of 58 grains of H4831 getting 3155 fps with a 129 grain Hornady SP at 50,800 cup. I have always wanted a 6.5 just to run it to see if I can get that performance.
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