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The most insulting to me was their reintroduction of the classic models of yesteryear with the hole added. Who buys this stuff??
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To me the hole and the new shape of the frame is aesthetically displeasing. But I'm a shooter, not a collector. My 617 with MIM and IL has over 50k rounds through it and there have been ZERO problems. Never encountered a problem with the IL, so clearly the revolvers work just fine. Currently S&W has some very interesting revolvers in their lineup that I would not hold off of just because of the IL. Money is my problem...I keep buying other guns. Just bought another Hi Power, and I'm building an FN FAL currently. But the next one on my mind is the current S&W 6.5" model 29; that has my attention.
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I have some lock and some non lock. Prefer the latter but I don’t lay awake at night. +1, same here. Never had an issue with either type.
A true sportsman counts his achievements in proportion to the effort involved and fairness of the sport. - S. Pope
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HE112: I attended a gunshow in Montana last week. Maybe 150 - 200 tables?
Anyway every single "hillary holed" Smith & Wesson revolver offered for sale there was turned on the side to "hide" the "hillary hole"!
I have been noticing this "trend" with "hillary holed" Smith & Wessons for some time now. Yup. The same thing happens with the photos on gun auction sites. There is typically one photo in the bunch that shows the gun from some odd angle where you can see the lock, but only one, and it isn't a full on profile, clearly showing the lock. I agree with you completely and am dumbfounded as to why Smith & Wesson made this mistake? Because it provides a layer of lawyer-proofing, and S&W knows that the gun community is always more about talk than action. If buyers refused to buy guns with locks, the locks would go away. But, buyers continue to slurp them up like pie on Thanksgiving, griping about the gun as they lay down $800 for it.
Wade
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To me the hole and the new shape of the frame is aesthetically displeasing. But I'm a shooter, not a collector. My 617 with MIM and IL has over 50k rounds through it and there have been ZERO problems. Never encountered a problem with the IL, so clearly the revolvers work just fine. Currently S&W has some very interesting revolvers in their lineup that I would not hold off of just because of the IL. Money is my problem...I keep buying other guns. Just bought another Hi Power, and I'm building an FN FAL currently. But the next one on my mind is the current S&W 6.5" model 29; that has my attention. Just find an original.
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I have some lock and some non lock. Prefer the latter but I don’t lay awake at night. +1, same here. Never had an issue with either type. The issues appear to crop up mainly with the aluminum alloy framed revolvers chambered in hard recoiling calibers, e.g., tiny scandium .357 Magnum J-Frames, or Scandium N-Frame .44 Magnums.
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Yes, they look really nice. Clean checkering also. Thanks. If I could recall who made it, I'd let you know.
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To me the hole and the new shape of the frame is aesthetically displeasing. But I'm a shooter, not a collector. My 617 with MIM and IL has over 50k rounds through it and there have been ZERO problems. Never encountered a problem with the IL, so clearly the revolvers work just fine. Currently S&W has some very interesting revolvers in their lineup that I would not hold off of just because of the IL. Money is my problem...I keep buying other guns. Just bought another Hi Power, and I'm building an FN FAL currently. But the next one on my mind is the current S&W 6.5" model 29; that has my attention. Clearly you are incorrect all IL revolvers do not “work just fine”, I’ve had the interlock engage on my 357 PD when shooting fast double action. That is clearly not working just fine. I removed the interlock and now my revolver “clearly works just fine”
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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A friend of mine had his 69 lock up on him during a range session. I've purchased two IL S&Ws, a .45 LC mountain gun and a 69, so I admit to contributing to the problem. In both cases I bought the gun because it was a practical solution to my needs. I also immediately disabled the stupid lock. S&W has saved me alot of money by insisting on the lock. I would've bought alot more of their guns if they didn't have it.
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No lawyer locks for me. All but one Smith I own is pre 1981 pinned and recessed. The other is a 642 NO lock.
Great question earlier, who is buying this lock crap!?
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The S&W rep (he's an ass) told me they only make the hammerless guns without the IL, but he couldn't tell me why.
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All new handguns ship with a separate cable lock. If someone is so concerned about locking their guns they can use the cable lock. This makes the internal lock superfluous. The internal lock adds nothing to the function of the gun and there have been cases of it engaging during firing. Click HereClick Here As long as Smith & Wesson continues with their folly I won't buy one with the internal lock. Apparently I'm not alone judging by the prices of used Smith's without the lock.
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Great question earlier, who is buying this lock crap!? The first annual sales report I could find was for 2014. S&W sold just under 269K revolvers, Ruger sold 278K revolvers, but I'm guessing the bulk of those were single action. So it looks like righteous indignation won't be causing them to see the light any time soon.
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