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IMR-4064, H-4895 or Varget.
NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.
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Varget,varget, & varget
Lefty Yes, from the .223Rem to my 375 H&H
My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.
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varget, reloader 15, 4064, and cfe 223
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Murphy was a grunt.
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Pick 1... I dont weigh powder individually in my 308 bolts or AR10's run it through Dillon or powder drop. you will know if its a shooter in a known non finicky cartridge, with F210 primer
Go Ducks!!!
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Varget IMR 4064 and 4000MR
Last edited by sidepass; 07/02/18.
Never take life to seriously, after all ,no one gets out of it alive.
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Alliant PowerPro 2000-MR
W748
RL15
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I switched back to H4895 after a decade of using Varget, because Varget was hard to get there for a while. I didn't notice that much of a difference, so I left it that way. I've been using H4895 for about 5 year now with 165 Hornady IL SP's.
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My favorite is 4064. My deer load is 4064 and a Sierra 150 grain flat base. There are so many that work well that its hard to pick a bad one. I guess my top 4 would be:
1. 4064
2. Varget
3. 4895
4. BL-C2
RL-15 or 748 could be substituted anyplace in the above list.
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Thanks River... interestingly, Alliant's website comes nowhere near the RL17 QL speed with the same barrel length and charge. Wonder what's up with that? However, of the powders I use, everything looks quite close. Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 165, Nosler Accubond 55602
Useable Case Capaci: 46.471 grain H2O = 3.017 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 115 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
3 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 50%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Alliant Reloder-17 111.2 50.0 3.24 2903 99.6 62000 8240 1.089
Vihtavuori N550 113.1 49.5 3.21 2857 98.1 62000 8065 1.107
Hodgdon H414 110.2 49.9 3.23 2845 95.5 62000 8063 1.102
Winchester 760 110.2 49.9 3.23 2845 95.5 62000 8063 1.102
SNPE Vectan SP 11 108.8 48.1 3.12 2842 99.2 62000 7736 1.104
Hodgdon CFE223 99.5 47.5 3.08 2840 99.5 62000 7661 1.105
Ramshot Big Game 105.3 48.1 3.11 2835 99.1 62000 7642 1.105
IMR 4895 104.9 44.9 2.91 2830 99.3 62000 7670 1.117
Accurate 4350 115.0 49.3 3.19 2828 98.0 59591 7898 1.128
Hodgdon BL-C2 100.0 46.8 3.03 2822 99.8 62000 7520 1.117
Norma 203 old 108.1 46.8 3.03 2820 99.7 62000 7504 1.124
Norma 203B 106.2 45.5 2.95 2818 99.3 62000 7572 1.118
Winchester 748 97.5 44.9 2.91 2818 100.0 62000 7245 1.111
Norma URP 115.0 48.7 3.16 2817 97.8 59142 7888 1.124
Alliant Reloder-15 105.7 45.3 2.93 2816 98.9 62000 7596 1.119
Ramshot Hunter 115.0 50.9 3.30 2813 95.9 59361 8045 1.121
IMR 3031 106.0 42.4 2.75 2813 100.0 62000 6849 1.115
Accurate 4064 108.5 45.5 2.95 2803 100.0 62000 7040 1.144
Hodgdon H4895 101.8 43.6 2.83 2802 99.6 62000 7397 1.122
Hodgdon H380 106.7 46.7 3.03 2797 97.8 62000 7590 1.123
Accurate 2520 100.3 45.3 2.94 2796 100.0 62000 7030 1.129
Lovex D073.6 102.7 45.3 2.94 2796 100.0 62000 7030 1.129
IMR 4320 107.4 45.3 2.93 2794 99.1 62000 7302 1.107
PB Clermont PCL 516 102.7 46.9 3.04 2785 97.7 62000 7483 1.118
Accurate 2495 102.2 42.9 2.78 2784 100.0 62000 6747 1.150
Lovex S070 114.9 48.7 3.15 2783 95.7 62000 7626 1.126
Lovex S062 106.7 44.5 2.88 2777 99.8 62000 7122 1.130
Vihtavuori N540 105.0 45.5 2.95 2773 100.0 62000 6990 1.124
Vihtavuori N530 98.0 42.2 2.74 2772 99.8 62000 7079 1.122
Hodgdon H335 92.6 43.3 2.81 2771 100.0 62000 6859 1.122
Norma 202 102.7 43.3 2.81 2770 100.0 62000 6844 1.127
Hodgdon VARGET 107.8 44.7 2.89 2768 98.7 62000 7265 1.118
Alliant Reloder-16 115.0 48.0 3.11 2766 97.9 53287 7895 1.167
Alliant AR-Comp 100.8 41.8 2.71 2766 100.0 62000 6321 1.121
Lovex S065 113.3 47.5 3.08 2765 96.9 62000 7418 1.129
Norma 201 103.2 43.2 2.80 2763 99.8 62000 7075 1.136
IMR 8208 XBR 100.2 42.9 2.78 2763 99.8 62000 7003 1.123
IMR 4064 108.7 44.0 2.85 2761 98.9 62000 7128 1.122
Hodgdon H322 98.2 40.8 2.65 2760 100.0 62000 6622 1.120
IMR 4350 115.0 49.0 3.17 2759 94.5 61344 7458 1.119
Ramshot TAC 99.4 45.9 2.97 2758 97.2 62000 7345 1.125
Lovex D073.5 95.9 44.1 2.86 2753 100.0 62000 6843 1.140
Accurate 2460 95.6 44.1 2.86 2753 100.0 62000 6843 1.140
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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For whatever reason, except for my departed and much-lamented Kimber Longmaster, I've not had great success with 150s. Now I just buy 165s or Sierra 168 MKs. I get either BTs or lately, ABs from SPS, blems or overruns. My current rifle, a Hawkeye Predator, likes RL15 best so far, but CFE223 works too. I don't load it up much, as shots here tend to be close, and 41gr or so of RL15 puts big, burping, through and through holes in deer and makes tiny clusters in targets. Hard to go far wrong.
What fresh Hell is this?
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CFE223 can produce some top velocities in a 308. It can also get real "sporty" when the temperature rises.
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I also do not like CFE in the 308, it had marginal accuracy and burned really hot. My barrel would be so hot you couldn't touch it after only two or three shot. Did not like that.
I am currently using BIG GAME with standard #200 CCI primers and 165g Federal Trophy Bonded Tipped. They are running about 2850 from my 24.5" Sako.
I am working up some loads based on data from federal with PP 2000-MR which they claim will make 2900 in a 24" gun with 50.5g. I just like trying new loads myself so try some and use the one you like, they are all pretty good in the 308.
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1. Hi Vel #2
2. IMR3031
3. Varget
Mike
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Thanks for all the info.
I have some of most all powders mentioned above. Since my son is in North Dakota a powder like Varget being somewhat "temp in-sensitive" makes sense if it shoots well in my/his new rifle.
Temps by him range from close to 100 in summer to 40 below in winter. I loaded him up some cartridges for his 7x57 Ruger using RE19 and they shot very well here in Illinois in summer, but by him in winter not so much.
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Campfire 'Bwana
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CFE223 can produce some top velocities in a 308. It can also get real "sporty" when the temperature rises.
Same thing I saw, top velocities but a little squirrely and inconsistent.
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As I noted earlier, one rifle is an "example of one."
The .308 tends to be far more consistent in the results from handloads than 98% of other cartridges. But rifles are still individual machines, and all we can do is play the odds.
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For the TAC fans, are you using magnum primers? It seems like the charge that would be under 150's might still be OK with a regular primer. Or, is it one of those things that only one's own rifle can decide? I've tried TAC in other cartridges, and still have a fair bit left, so I thought might give it a whirl in the .308. Mind you, this is purely academic. The rifle currently shoots thusly with Varget: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/BFw27Bs.jpg) FC
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Folically_Challenged,
I'd add more powder. Even very consistent single-based powders often benefit from a little more pressure. This is hard to believe for hard-core 4895 users, but it's true.
Or I'd look at the rifle itself. Or shoot more groups in really calm conditions before coming to any conclusion.
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John Steinbeck
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