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Originally Posted by prm
Thanks for sharing. Good insight.

Now, can they make a general purpose scope? Something like the 3-9 HD, but with capped windage, lower profile elevation dial, reticle good for dark woods and with some windage reference, all in the <15oz range.


You are welcome.

I am sure they can, but whether the market needs it or not is arguable. It is a very saturated marketspace. Were you lookign for a FFP or SFP design? If SFP, you really should be considering Vortex Razor HD LH 2-10x40. You can always add a Kenton elevation turret to it if you want to dial.

There are not that many ultralight scopes out there, so I am kinda happy to see SWFA make this one. I like tweener scopes and did an article on these many moons ago:

http://opticsthoughts.com/?page_id=79

What is available with scopes of this type has changed dramatically, so I should probably do a follow-up of sorts. At the moment, for rifles with kick, my tweener scope of choice is Vortex Razor HD LH 1.5-8x32. The new SWFA may very well become my go to option for really light weight applications where recoil is not an issue.

For example, I am teaching my six year old daughter to shoot and for her every little bit of extra weight counts. When she graduates from using iron sights, the ultralight SWFA will go on her rifle.

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Originally Posted by deflave
Leupolds without turrets hold up just fine.

Had they gone straight 6x and mil-quad they would have been onto something.


Oh how I wish that were true.
Agreed on the the 6x with mil-quad and mil adjustments - if they had proper eye relief.

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3.3" is marginal for safety with anything with even moderate recoil. 2.55" is hazardous, especially prone or at the bench. Get twocked in the eyebrow a time or two and you'll understand.


Exactly! Reminds me of the scopes Remington includes on their package rifles. Totally unusable eye relief at higher magnifications. Those scopes immediately get round filed, or used as a Carlos Hathcock vs NVA sniper target (i.e. try to shoot through the scope without touching the housing).

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By next year, it'll be all the rage on the Barret Fieldcraft series, here on the ol' 'Fire.

But will it be in 6 Creedmoor by that time instead of the current fav 6.5?

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Originally Posted by koshkin
If SFP, you really should be considering Vortex Razor HD LH 2-10x40. You can always add a Kenton elevation turret to it if you want to dial.

ILya



Except for incorrect and inconsistent tacking, and intermittent zero shifts.


I believe I, and those I shoot with are up to six (6) Vortex HD LH’s. None have worked correctly. A couple seemed fine out of the box, but within reletively limited rounds showed issues.

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Vortex Razor HD LH 2-10x40...R.I.P.

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Originally Posted by Formidilosus
Originally Posted by koshkin
If SFP, you really should be considering Vortex Razor HD LH 2-10x40. You can always add a Kenton elevation turret to it if you want to dial.

ILya



Except for incorrect and inconsistent tacking, and intermittent zero shifts.


I believe I, and those I shoot with are up to six (6) Vortex HD LH’s. None have worked correctly. A couple seemed fine out of the box, but within reletively limited rounds showed issues.


Not DOA, but definitely DOB “Dead Outta Box”...So much for Vortex owning the dial a dope scope market..Who’s next?
Form, is way better than “Consumer Reports” for us guys who want good schit. 😎


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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Not DOA, but definitely DOB “Dead Outta Box”...So much for Vortex owning the dial a dope scope market..Who’s next?
Form, is way better than “Consumer Reports” for us guys who want good schit. 😎


Absolutely spot on.

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Originally Posted by Formidilosus


Except for incorrect and inconsistent tacking, and intermittent zero shifts.

I believe I, and those I shoot with are up to six (6) Vortex HD LH’s. None have worked correctly. A couple seemed fine out of the box, but within reletively limited rounds showed issues.



Amount this report surprises me:

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Originally Posted by Formidilosus
Originally Posted by koshkin
If SFP, you really should be considering Vortex Razor HD LH 2-10x40. You can always add a Kenton elevation turret to it if you want to dial.

ILya



Except for incorrect and inconsistent tacking, and intermittent zero shifts.


I believe I, and those I shoot with are up to six (6) Vortex HD LH’s. None have worked correctly. A couple seemed fine out of the box, but within reletively limited rounds showed issues.


The 3-15x42 did not have those issues.
I'll check the 2-10x40, now that I am curious.
It is definitely staying zeroed, but I'll revisit the turrets.

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Form,

Are you going to wring-out one of the new Ultralights?

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I hope that with this ultra-light scope, SWFA is not going to blemish its reputation. There is no free lunch with scope weight, as is obvious by Leupold's failures. If this scope is durable, then it will gain a good rep. If not, the SWFA just hurt themselves with a Leupold clone.


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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Form,

Are you going to wring-out one of the new Ultralights?



I’m sure I’ll see one at some point, but a SFP, duplex reticled scope with .25moa adjustments doesn’t really fit into a use I or those I shoot with/hunt with have.


I think it’d be useful to see if it holds up, but not enough for me to buy one.

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I’m on my 4th scope in less than a year on my 84M 338 Federal. Actually, I just put an old Burris FFII I had on it. I also have an SWFA 6x that is currently not in use. It’s just not a good fit for that rifle. But it does work. Would like something as I described above. Maybe an FX3 6x42 would survive on that rifle.

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Wow, tough crowd here. Personally I have been quite impressed with my 6x mq and 3-15. This particular model does not excite me but I suspect it's the beginning of a few new models. Personally I would be quite happy with an illuminated 6x. Not many market holes in the overcrowded optics world but a reasonably light, reasonably priced 4 x 32 would be nice.

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Originally Posted by rcarr
Wow, tough crowd here. Personally I have been quite impressed with my 6x mq and 3-15. This particular model does not excite me but I suspect it's the beginning of a few new models. Personally I would be quite happy with an illuminated 6x. Not many market holes in the overcrowded optics world but a reasonably light, reasonably priced 4 x 32 would be nice.


People barely buy 4x hunting scopes these days and I bet three quarters of the ones who do will never buy anything but a Leupold. Very little chance of recouping your investment if you introduce one.

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I wonder how strong the market is for a scope that tears big gouges out of the shooter's forehead every time they touch off a round when it's mounted on a rifle with more than 10 ft lbs of recoil?

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I guess you could drag a Caldwell Lead Sled afield and 50 lbs of lead shot with you...but then the light weight hunting scope with 2.5" of eye relief would be a moot point.

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Originally Posted by Formidilosus
Originally Posted by koshkin
If SFP, you really should be considering Vortex Razor HD LH 2-10x40. You can always add a Kenton elevation turret to it if you want to dial.

ILya



Except for incorrect and inconsistent tacking, and intermittent zero shifts.


I believe I, and those I shoot with are up to six (6) Vortex HD LH’s. None have worked correctly. A couple seemed fine out of the box, but within reletively limited rounds showed issues.


Hey Form., Did they loose zero during firing,or only after twisting the turret?

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Originally Posted by sbhooper
I hope that with this ultra-light scope, SWFA is not going to blemish its reputation. There is no free lunch with scope weight, as is obvious by Leupold's failures. If this scope is durable, then it will gain a good rep. If not, the SWFA just hurt themselves with a Leupold clone.


It's already blemished,if by nothing except the specs on this scope.

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I like the concept of the SS 2.5-10x32 Ultralight & I especially like the small ocular bell diameter that allows low mounting on bolt action rifles w/ a high bolt lift. I have several rifles where I think this scope would work out extremely well except that I can't live with the extremely short eye relief.

Given the trade off between eye relief & field of view in scope design I do not understand why most scope makers sacrifice eye relief to gain maximum possible field of view & it's even more difficult to understand in a 2.5-10 variable where you can gain all the FOV one will ever need by backing the power down (47.2 ft @ 2.5x at 100 yds for this scope). In 50+ years of using rifle scopes a large FOV has always been well below having a minimum of 3.5" of eye relief in my list of priorities for choosing a rifle scope.

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