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Originally Posted by StoneCutter
The badger's been smokin too much pot or something. Why on Earth would that thing take on something with that kind of head gear?



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Originally Posted by Thegman
Well, hell, looking further, maybe it is real. Damn, I need to do something better with my time...

The pics came from Foxnews. If they're fake, they fooled them, too. OTOH, those might be shadows in the dust.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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In fact, this is why baby cheetahs have a color pattern matching a honey badger, i.e., to steal the benefit that species has earned with its ferocity in the face of death, i.e., when large predators see cheetah cubs from a distance away, they will believe they are seeing some honey badgers, and will take a different route to their destination so as to give them a wide berth, thus reinforcing the color pattern in juvenile cheetahs (i.e., those cheetahs that don't produce offspring with that color pattern will have a greater degree of trouble raising offspring to adulthood, and will be less able to pass that survival disadvantage to the next generation).


I don't know if that's actually true or not. I know an evolutionary article was written years ago regarding a similarity, but with around a 90% mortality, it doesn't appear to do much and most predators readily kill them if they find them.

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Originally Posted by M1Garand

I don't know if that's actually true or not. I know an evolutionary article was written years ago regarding a similarity, but with around a 90% mortality, it doesn't appear to do much and most predators readily kill them if they find them.

To have a survival advantage, it only needs to save a small percentage of them, not all or even most.

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Tell your friend that I have a 9.3x62mm Remington pump-rifle & the ability to deal with his "eland problem". = 286 grains of .366 JSP at 2400FPS will take a Cape Buff quite handily & solve rogue Elephant problems, too.

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A couple of people in this thread mentioned oryx in the context of American predators (mountain lion and coyote). Aren't oryx African animals? What are they doing in North America with mountain lions and coyotes?


I took this picture in 2017 inside a high fence in South Texas when I was there for a pig hunt. It's a magnificent animal. About the size of a horse.

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Depending on the area they are called Oryx, Gemsbok, or Gemsbuck. I shot one in So, Africa and it was called a Gembok. I grew in in Alamogordo and we called the Oryx. Very attractive animal IMO.


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I don't know if that's actually true or not. I know an evolutionary article was written years ago regarding a similarity, but with around a 90% mortality, it doesn't appear to do much and most predators readily kill them if they find them.

To have a survival advantage, it only needs to save a small percentage of them, not all or even most.



While that is true, similarity doesn't always mean mimicry. If you can find that article it's interesting but IIRC, states it's a possible case. Sure it's possible, but I don't think it can be said for sure.

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Originally Posted by Cariboujack

Depending on the area they are called Oryx, Gemsbok, or Gemsbuck. I shot one in So, Africa and it was called a Gembok. I grew in in Alamogordo and we called the Oryx. Very attractive animal IMO.


I got to Elk hunt with our old friend EddyBo from her at the 'Fire one year across the road from White Sands, he as well as the local guide Wayne said, "If you see one of those, SHOOT IT" they're highly unpredictable and a horse cant outrun one either if they want to swarm you.


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I bull gemsbok is about 75% the size of a big bull elk. They are not even close to horse size. However at a distance I can see how they might apppear that big because of their body shape.

I’ve had honey badges lick the blood off the tires of a land cruiser and when the blood taste runs out they chew through the tire looking for more. I personally watched one go around as a cruiser drive away several times before letting go of the tire. Then shook it off and trotted away. I’ve watched them stack rocks along a wall to climb up high enough to get over the wall.

They have the ability to work out problems with logic unlike most animals. They have unmatched determination and fear no living thing on earth. Another professional hunter told me of a honey badger clinging to the end of an elephants trunk holding on and preventing that cow from moving must be like a nose ring in a bull.

Never EVER underestimate a honey badgers will, determination, or aggression.


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The PH's and landowner I hunted with in Namibia told me the same thing of the tenacity of a honey badger. They are amazing animals. Then again, Africa is full of amazing animals!


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Originally Posted by Cariboujack

Depending on the area they are called Oryx, Gemsbok, or Gemsbuck. I shot one in So, Africa and it was called a Gembok. I grew in in Alamogordo and we called the Oryx. Very attractive animal IMO.


I believe they are all Oryx but the larger sub-specie is the Gemsbok. There are a number of different varieties of Oryx on the planet.


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I don't know if that's actually true or not. I know an evolutionary article was written years ago regarding a similarity, but with around a 90% mortality, it doesn't appear to do much and most predators readily kill them if they find them.

To have a survival advantage, it only needs to save a small percentage of them, not all or even most.



While that is true, similarity doesn't always mean mimicry. If you can find that article it's interesting but IIRC, states it's a possible case. Sure it's possible, but I don't think it can be said for sure.


You're right, it can't be said for sure. It's certainly plausible, but it's a largely untestable hypothesis, as most, if not all stories of mimicry are.

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I personally think the American badger is the meanest in the land- only because honey badgers aren't found here and in the morning I have a badger to remove from its hole in the lawn. I do not relish the thought as my last experience with a badger was a surprise at only a couple of feet. I have a healthy respect for them and dearly hope it leaves but this animal re-opened the hole after I covered it a few days ago. It will be Caddyshack time in the morning.

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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
African wolverines is what they remind me of

Yes, they are very similar, and seem to have adopted a similar path in terms of survival strategy. They are not closely related, though, as wolverines are large weasels, while honey badgers aren't in the weasel family.

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Different oryx but, I know one of the scimitar horn Oryx killed one of the bull Red Deer/elk hybrids up on cousins game ranch. Broke off a horn.


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Originally Posted by M1Garand

I don't know if that's actually true or not. I know an evolutionary article was written years ago regarding a similarity, but with around a 90% mortality, it doesn't appear to do much and most predators readily kill them if they find them.

To have a survival advantage, it only needs to save a small percentage of them, not all or even most.



While that is true, similarity doesn't always mean mimicry. If you can find that article it's interesting but IIRC, states it's a possible case. Sure it's possible, but I don't think it can be said for sure.


You're right, it can't be said for sure. It's certainly plausible, but it's a largely untestable hypothesis, as most, if not all stories of mimicry are.


In the larger animals anyway. Some are more obvious than others, particularly in insects.

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